baby birth certificate

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asked on Jun 2, 2004 at 23:00
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I was told by the WAO that there is not a necessary to have a marriage certificate in order to get birth certificate for a new born baby, is that true?
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answered on Jun 4, 2004 at 20:18
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A birth certificate provides the evidence required to certify the mother and father of the child and the place at which it came to this world, name day and date included. A marriage certificate tells you that the two parties named therein were lawfully weded on a certain date and thereafter enjoy the status of being married.

A marriage certificate is not evidence of birth or in no way can it prevent a birth or conception happening. No marriage certificate is required.
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answered on Jun 7, 2004 at 02:41
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if the mother is muslim but still has a chinese name, when the babyh is registered will the registration depratment ever find out and do they scan the IC of the mother? The front of the IC does not state that the mother is a muslim and the mother has a chinese name. Also is it really tru that you do not need to have a marriage cert to regoister the baby? How to register then?
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answered on Jun 7, 2004 at 16:02
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Your question is a bit dijointed. If the mother is Muslim? what difference does that make? are you suggesting that it does make a difference? and if so what is the difference?

The name of the mother is taken from her birth certificate or a more convenient document such as her national Identity Card the IC. If it is a Chinese name instead of the adopted Arabic name many Muslims have that is taken to be her real name. If the IC identifies her religion well then maybe she would require to explain the reason for the absence of her Arabic name on the IC.

A baby does not come into being because of a marriage certificate.Trust me it does not. The baby is born out of a physiological relationship between man and woman. The fact of birth is given recognistion through registration. Register the baby. Married ?? yes (by common law. Which means you have a relationship but are not married) If they scan the IC they will realise that the woman is Ms. So and So. If not married they may still put that on the Birth Certificate but that is not an offence nor a jailable one if it is. Go ahead and register the baby.
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answered on Jun 7, 2004 at 18:12
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Hi thanks for the reply, so does that mean that I can register the baby under my name and the baby's fathers name and the baby can have a chinese name instead of having to be a "bin or binti abdullah?"
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answered on Jun 17, 2004 at 03:24
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Better Abdullah name for baby instead of Xebhai or Lancow or something like that ting tang tong. COnfuse the poor ######.
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answered on Jun 26, 2004 at 14:42
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I have a similar problem like Inveigle where my husband used to be a chinese-muslim and still using his chinese name. He divorced his muslim wife couple of years ago and we got married using our chinese names. My husband's MyKad indicates his religion is Muslim and what worries me is when our baby is born, will JPN default my baby's religion to Muslim? What about our baby's name? Obviously I do not want to use any Muslim's name for our baby and neither have I converted to Muslim too!! Our marriage certificate was registered using our chinese names and I wonder does the law say that a child's religion is defaulted by the father's religion? Can I use my IC and my husband's birth certificate (originally chinese name) plus marriage certificate to obtain our baby's birth certificate? I am worry that using my husband's MyKad (which has Muslim indication) will complicate our baby birth certificate registration process, pls advise, many thanks in advance.
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answered on Jun 27, 2004 at 02:14
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There is a mistaken belief amogst many Malays and non Malays alike that the Arabic names adopted by Many Malay Muslims are Muslim names. This is a complete falsehood and a myth perpetrated by some for political convenience and religious chauvanism to create an identity.

The names Musa and Amir, Yousef, Jaffar and the like are used by Catholics, Assyrian Christians and Eastern Rights Orthodox middle easterners alike without any problem. These are their names.

They are so poorly and ignorantly adopted by some in Malaysia without knowing what they mean or how to probnounce them either. For instance the name Ghaffar is in actual fact jaffar. The North African Arabs (Egyptian and Algerian, Libyan and Morroccons) use the heavier prononciation of GH instead of the more subtle J hence the difference between Ghaffar (as in Ghaffar Baba) and Jaffar Hussein.

Other names like Mahathir are not even Arabic. it is south Indian in its origins and is a shorter version of the name Mahathiran (or man of great destiny) a prophetic name indeed.

So if you must enter into an arument over the childs name make sure you let them know that even they do not have their own names any lnger. Names like Thamby Chik, Awang (A derivative of the Chinese Wong) are more like original Malay names. Muhammed and Abdullah are not Malay names. Thes era but two of several names exclusively Muslim and Arabic.

Go ahead and cal your child Chin peng, Ah Seng or Lee Kuan Yew. Thats your choice and you must stick to it. They have an obnligation to register you under that name.The name you chose. Malays have specially mutilated english names like Tina, Nina, Jeffery and the like, what these have to do with Islam god only knows.
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answered on Jun 30, 2004 at 07:37
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I have gone thru JABATAN PENDAFTARAN NEGARA website ( www.jpn.gov.my ) and found out that marriage certificate is required in order to get a birth certificate for a new born baby.what i am not sure is if this applies to both muslims and non-muslims.no infor on this.can anyone clarify this?
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answered on Jun 30, 2004 at 14:46
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You require to register the birth of the baby. If not married you should notify them you are not legally married. The baby needs and has a right to a birth certificate.
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answered on Jul 1, 2004 at 01:12
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I agree.from what i was informed, if the mother is not married and do not have a marriage registration cert,the child still gets a birth cert but the column for name of father in the birth cert is left empty.
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