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New MessageMuslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) NillWong
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It is commonly understood that, in Malaysia, when a non-Muslim marries to a Muslim, the former must be converted to Muslim, regardless whether a husband or a wife. However, I would like to find out a little more about foreigner situations.

(1) If a husband from People's Republic of China intend to marry to a Malaysian Muslim wife, and the registration is performed in Malaysia, whether or not, he must be converted to Muslim?

(2) Expending from the above question, if the Muslim wife is not originated from Malaysia, for instance, migration from Indonesia, Arab, China, etc., whether or not the husband and wife are also bound by Malaysia Syariah Law?

(3) Whether a non-Malaysian citizen Muslim, viz. s/he is originated from countries via migration or work permit or marriage to Malaysian muslim, or other means, is also regulated by Syariah Law, or civil law?

Your advice is greatly appreciated.

13 Feb, 2006 23:50:12

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) LoyerBrook
1. The husband has to convert to Islam.

2. You have to understand and know his or her CITIZENSH; Malaysian Muslim's "Future Spouse" is normally advised to convert before marriage. About Foreign Citizens' problems, it is all their individual preferences. you must NOT MIX Marriage with Religion.

Whether you are in Malaysia or in ANY OTHER Country, you, as a reponsible person MUST Observe the Country's Law.

In Malaysia, BOTH the Syariah Law AND Civil Law apply to Muslim Citizens and Muslim Foreigners. Civil Law regulated for General Enforcement.

14 Feb, 2006 19:21:41

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) NillWong
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Dear LoyerBrook,

Thank you for your advice.

With regard to your 2nd answer, I am not too clear. Are you saying that, "when a non-Muslim (regardless whether a foreigner or a Malaysian citizen) marries to a foreign Muslim who resides in Malaysia (as far as s/he has not obtained Malaysian citizenship status), and registration is done in Malaysia, the conversion to Muslim of his/her spouse is not mandatory, subject to the own preference of his/her spouse"?

Please advise. Thank you.

15 Feb, 2006 10:23:18

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Loyerbrook
The non-muslim Foreigner who intends to marry a Muslim Spouse who is also a Foreigner, and would like to obtain Malaysian Marriage Certificate are also advised to convert to Islam in Malaysia.

There is nothing wrong with ANY True Faith of Genuine Religions that people all over the World have devoted to believe in, and for more than a thousand of years.

Of course, it is personal preference, only God knows whether you are sincere and fateful to your spouse or not.

My personal advise:

If you really love your spouse, love his or her religion too. What's wrong? It is just a matter of learning and understanding more about it and then, most importantly ACCEPT and BELIEVE IT. You'll be alright.

15 Feb, 2006 20:13:14

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Ah Seng888
Because it is not a legal, you must cut the pass water first. They call it sunat. Very painful. After that cannot be very palyful also. Thats why Malay girls always like to see Chinese boys after marriage. Because the husbands pass water already is cut off.

Maybe you can the appeal. It is like high court and ask for caveat emptor.

04 Mar, 2006 16:17:47

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Talk Rock
Ah Seeeeeeg brother! You really know how to talk rock huh?
04 Mar, 2006 18:22:01

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) love love
Interesting information but I am still confused. I am a Malaysian non-muslim and my man is a Muslim Iraqi. Must I convert to Islam if we get married in Malaysia? if yes, do you know any country where I do not have to convert? His uncle married a Christian in their country and she didnt have to convert. thanks!
05 Jun, 2010 23:35:11

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) LoyerBrook
We have to consider Theoretical, Practical and more Tactical Applications while implementing such conscience from the Heart.

If an Iraqi Muslim has his Muslim Name and Religion clearly stated in the ID Card and Passport, then you have no alternative, but to convert to Islam before marriage. This is to prevent future predicaments in Malaysia.

Tactically, you could get married and obtain Marriage Certificate outside Malaysia. BUT... not encouraged if you planned to have children in near future.

23 Jun, 2010 08:29:08

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) meichenxiang
The closest most easiest place would be Singapore. It is a secular country. Even Muslim S'poreans who choose to marry non-Muslims can do so in the civil court which is a proper, marriage court protected by charters etc. Therefore, even if you wish to have children later in any part(s) of the world, it won't pose a problem because the law is an internationally recognised law, hence, internationally recognised marriage certificate. It mirrors the British law.

I personally know of many Malaysian Malay men and women who, in their home country, have to abide by Islamic laws because being Malay is synonymous with being Muslim in Malaysia; then choose to marry their non-Muslim spouses in Singapore because nobody has to convert or revert to any particular faith.

You can check the Registry of Marriages website from Singapore. They make it so simple because the country has a very strong pro-family policy.

16 Mar, 2011 15:25:47

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) smokie
if a Malaysian Muslim man and a Malaysian Chinese lady choose to register with the Singapore Marriage registry, would the Malaysian Shariah Law recognised and validate this Certificate ? and if the couple choose to reside together, would they be submit to khalwat (close proximity) charges ?
24 Mar, 2011 18:37:59

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) meichenxiang
Hi Smokie,
From what I know, it would not be a problem. The Singapore marriage cert does not state any religion(s), just both your names, the 2 witnesses' names and the signature of The Justice of the Peace.

As for the M'sian shariah law recognising it, I personally do not think it is up to them because it is a civil law certificate. Why would you want the shariah court to see it anyway? It is just like the civil marriage cert in M'sia, I don't think the non-Muslims need toustify their actions to the Shariah court.

The difference is, nobody has to convert or revert to anything. Nobody has to become a Muslim to marry another Muslim. No, it legally states that both of you are legally married and as it is not under Muslim law, the khalwat thing would not apply to you.

To start with, there are so MANY MANY MANY Malaysian Malay-Muslim couples who are NOT legally (or whatever ways) married who have been living together for years who have never ever been caught for khalwat. So don't worry yourself about it. The certificate carries alot of weight. They can challenge it in court.

Basically, it states both your names. How you live, they cannot actually discern it.

Hope that helps?

11 Apr, 2011 12:59:10

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Nelson
Hi meichenxiang,

Thanks for your information. they help. but i heard to get married in singpore both have to stay in at least 15 days. am i right?

1 question: would it be any problem to register baby in the future?

thanks

21 Apr, 2011 18:43:22

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Mike
@meichenxiang,
You speak as if you understand Syariah Law which I doubt that you do because you obviously dont.

@smokie,
Your marriage in Singapore will NOT be valid in Malaysia because marriages between Muslims and non Muslims is prohibited under Islamic law of Malaysia. However it might be valid in other countries.

In khalwat matter, if you do get caught your muslim spouse will be charged (not you) for khalwat because you both have no valid certificate to proof your legal marriage under Islamic Law of Malaysia.

Furthermore, if you plan to have kids, issues will arise especially during registering the baby in JPN.

Easiest way to evade this is just reside in Singapore.

08 Jun, 2011 12:07:17

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Warren
Ya Malaysia is forcing you to convert into Muslim.
21 Jun, 2011 23:16:42

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) ornithine
hi there, here is my question.
i have a chinese friend who his parents are chinese convert islam. now he want to convert to other religion. how should he apply?
can you state the procedure?
12 Jan, 2012 23:20:23

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) meichenxiang
mike
You speak as if you DON'T know the Syariah law and it shows.

I happen to know the Syariah law because I am a practising lawyer.
I was awarded 'High Distintction' for the Syariah courses that I took in Law School.
I was born into a Muslim family.
Both my parents have postgraduate degrees in Syariah Law.

I got married in Singapore and my spouse is non-Muslim. We live in Shah Alam (not even in KL where it is supposedly more 'liberal') and have had no problems so far. We have three children who are all non-Muslims.

Most people make assumptions about how strict the Malaysian law can be when it comes to such matters. The truth is, most things are left up to the individual(s). If you don't make it an issue, it would not be an issue.

12 Mar, 2012 12:27:30

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) hopeful
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@meichenxiang

Thanks so much for what you wrote! If you can do it, then surely, others can too! Up until now, the moment a girl told me she was Muslim, I would completely dismiss the thought of ever dating her. I just would not want to deal with the inevitable situation of forced conversion. I'm a Freethinker, and if I were forced to covert, obviously I'd no longer be free!

I recently met a Freethinker who I thought was Chinese, gorgeous woman, funny, and a Freethinker...but I later found out she was a Muslim...since I'm British, I even thought of taking her back to the UK if we ever decided to get married etc, but wasn't sure if my UK marriage license would be accepted by Malaysia.

However, I would love to know how I and others can do it, based on what you've done...is there a way I can get in contact with you? Can I post a PM through this message board? Would love to hear from you!

Thanks!

15 Mar, 2012 01:58:43

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) foolate
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Hi meichenxiang.

How do you go about your children registering your children as Malaysians?

Would like to speak to you more about this if you have an email that I may reach you at, or a general email would be fine. Thanks!

03 Apr, 2012 01:08:54

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Desperatetoknow
To meichenxiang:

Excuse me if im asking a stupid question after having read these threads but my fiance and I would like to get married in malaysia but only by a nikah ceremony...here r my questions that im hoping u can answer in a very simple way

1) can a male muslim foreigner marry a non muslim foreigner in malaysia...r there any parts of malaysia that do this? We want only to do a nikah ceremony which.leads to the next question....

2) can foreigners on vacation have a nikah ceremony only without having to get a govt.certificate of marriage? Again, im a
sking if this is possible based on the female not being muslim of course.

07 Apr, 2012 04:23:06

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) shelhee
Hi meichenxiang, do you mind to provide me your email? I have the exact situation like you, i would like to seek for your advice Hope you don't mind because I need someone to help me desperately.
14 May, 2012 15:55:15

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) shel hee
Hi meichenxiang, this is my email. shel.oct25@yahoo.com .. could you please email me ? hope to hear from you soon thank you ))
14 May, 2012 15:58:32

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) discreet22
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Hi meichenxiang:

I am facing the same problem and i am in the same situation as you. Could you provide me your contact details so that we can further discuss this?

How did you manage to still be in KL and have kids? I really want that.

Appreciate it if you can contact me soon.

Thank you!

29 May, 2012 00:45:16

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) freedompls
meichenxiang, I'm having the same problems like others do too, i'm living in Sarawak state. I'm a chinese girl while my bf is a muslim (Malay mix chinese). my family strongly against us to got together because ill have to convert myself to his religion if we were to married in the future.

The information that you provide is very very useful for me..i wish to contact with you to know further about how this can be done..I appreciate it if you can contact me as soon as possible..im stuck in the middle right now..thank you so much. my e-mail is freedompls1986@gmail.com

23 Aug, 2012 09:37:20

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Amaeba
Hi all,
Has anyone gotten a answer on how a non Muslim Chinese can married a Muslim in Malaysia without having to convert and still have their children registered under JPN and remained as non-Muslim in Malaysia? It would mean a lot for someone to be able to shed some lights here. Thanks!
29 Aug, 2012 22:35:50

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) superkoalapanda
hello meichenxiang,

I am having problem on this issue as well. Could you please contact me personally via my email? I would really like to get in touch with you as to discuss this issue. Thank you.

sapphireprincess23@gmail.com

04 Sep, 2012 16:10:12

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Queen
Hi meichenxiang, our email is nicksiang82@gmail.com ... Seek your justification on the above case ... We can get in touch as we really need help on this same case. Really appreciate it, thnks a lot...
20 Oct, 2012 22:45:23

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) magjue
If a non Muslim American man married a Muslim Malaysian woman in America (where it is legal for people of any religion to marry each other), and the married couple lived in America for several years together, but then decided to move to Malaysia after having been legally married in America for several years, would the marriage be legal in Malaysia, or would the marriage not be recognized as legal in Malaysia and would the non Muslim American man have to convert to Islam and re-marry the Muslim Malaysian woman when they moved to Malaysia?
22 Oct, 2012 12:09:25

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) kinkyoreo
I pride my self in respecting all walks of life and with that, religious beliefs. I think this surpasses the matter of love, in this day and age where personal beliefs and opinions are held in high regard.

No religion (including ISLAM) has a right to force anyone to convert. how would a person who is forced to convert be a true "recruit" of said religion? His or Her practices would be built on a lie.

Another note, this FORCED CONVERSION rule is man-made and only applicable through and via the Syariah Laws. NOWHERE ELSE in the world practices this. In other countries, it is merely "recommended".

Loyerbrook: "If you really love your spouse, love his or her religion too. What's wrong? It is just a matter of learning and understanding more about it and then, most importantly ACCEPT and BELIEVE IT. You'll be alright.
"... What if the situation were reversed? would you still speak so freely when YOU are the one who has to give up YOUR ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM?

Think before speakig, please.

30 Dec, 2012 20:18:02

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Noname
Very well written.

Such simple truth.

Such simple fact.

The Rakyat should have the the power in a democratic society, they must make the changes.

Freedom of choice will always prevail in a modern society

01 Jan, 2013 12:36:26

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Love sherry
Hi, I am a malaysian Chinese and bf is pakistanese Muslim with working visa here. Our plan is stay in malaysian and children here. Kindly advice the best way and best place to ROM without convention. Thank you for the advice.
30 Jan, 2013 22:07:17

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Stressfull Mom to Be
I'm Malaysian indian muslim & my hubby is from China. I bravely registered our marriage in Singapore (Civil Marriage) ROM Singapore. Currently I'm working & leaving here in Singapore holding Spass. Now Im 3 months pregnant & Im worried over by baby birth registration & where I going to born my baby. Many confuse me that my baby will not getting the Malaysian citizen as I never register my marriage in Malaysia. Will Malaysia accept my Singapore Marriage Cert? As I am muslim! Supose to have nikah & registered in jawi!!!! Gosh this issue is hunting me & everyday I am sad & worried, by this time I should be very happy & enjoying my pregnancy but I am stressfull to think about this religion issue. Can anyone here help me! Pls write to me at ryna_ally@yahoo.com.
17 Mar, 2013 13:36:59

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Nate
hello meichenxiang,
I am having problem on this issue as well. Could you please contact me personally via my email? I would really like to get in touch with you as to discuss this issue. Thank you.

n4te1305@gmail.com

27 May, 2013 18:22:37

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) jubilant
WOuld life to ask for some advice.

I'm a Malaysian muslim by law my wife is a Malaysian CHinese, non-muslim.
We registered in Singapore ROM. But until now have yet to registered it at Malaysian embassy / commissioner in SIngapore. Would there be any problem during the registeration at the Malaysian embassy?

Second question is when we have our child, he/she would presumable Malaysian citizen (as we are only SG PR, non-SG citizen). Does the child have to be muslim?

Thanks for your reply in advance

24 Jul, 2013 15:50:48

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Wayne
Hi meichenxiang, I've the same issue. My gf is a Malaysian Muslim Malay and I am Malaysian Chinese non Muslim. Can you provide me more information?
28 Jul, 2013 11:58:35

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Wayne
My email is alwaynethor@gmail.com
30 Jul, 2013 21:22:17

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) ravins
Has anyone gotten any solution for Malaysia muslim and non muslim wedding? Appreciate if you could share the information with me as well? ravin.s@hotmail.com
10 Aug, 2013 05:11:47

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) sharifah27
my sister living with her foreign boyfriend, how if they get caught? my sister is muslim, and his boyfriend australian..its that true her boyfriend have to depot 24hours leave the country? and she will be charged under sharriah law?

::In khalwat matter, if you do get caught your muslim spouse will be charged (not you) for khalwat because you both have no valid certificate to proof your legal marriage under Islamic Law of Malaysia.:::

02 Sep, 2013 14:17:58

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Chris Chan
Hi meichenxiang:

My fiance is a Tanzanian(Africa) indian muslim and i am a Malaysian chinese(non-muslim). We plan to get married in malaysia soon and i do not intend to convert to islam. Can we both maintain our own respective religious belief and get married and live in Malaysia together? We both really love each other and don't feel it is justified to convert to islam by force of the Malaysian government just so that we can be in love with together.

05 Dec, 2013 07:24:32

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Chris Chan
My email is chrischan194@hotmail.com , please contact me and i would appreciate your generous feedback
05 Dec, 2013 07:27:07

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) vanair
Dear meichenxiang,

It felt really great to read your post.

I am a malaysian non muslim (atheist) who is deeply in love with a Pakistani National who has lived in malaysia for over 15 years but carries a passport. She is currently on work permit here in msia. Since we both are atheist we would like to tie the knot without having to convert or what so ever as we have been seeing each other for 4 years now.

Despite we love each other so much, she is starting to loose faith in this relationship due to the time its taken. I really want to marry her but i just don't believe in conversion. One should not be forced to convert !

I really need some advice from you quick. Please help me by contacting me. You may reach me at vanair@mail.com

Hope to hear from you soon.

Thank you.

06 Jan, 2014 13:55:52

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) jhonjason4
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In 2005, the new UAE Personal Affairs Law (also a federal law) was promulgated, setting out specific rules for the appointment of heirs and the distribution of a deceased’s estate for both national and non-national Muslims in the UAE. As set out in chapter two of the English translation of this law, “Shares and their Holders”, the method of disposition of a deceased’s estate is quite complicated, and it takes a specialist in Islamic law to determine exactly the amount of each particular estate that an individual heir would receive.
As an example, if a deceased was married, with one son and one daughter, the entire estate could be distributed as follows: one-sixth of the entire estate would be awarded to the wife, with two-thirds of the remainder to the son and one-third to the daughter. Some property investors may find it difficult to accept such a distribution of their real estate assets, and so they should seek legal advice.
20 Mar, 2014 16:18:48

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) YyanYeong
Dear meichenxiang, can i get more information about your marriage in Singapore and how your kids can be an Non-Muslim in Malaysia? Kindly drop me an email starstar_0603@hotmail.com
Thank you so much.
29 Jun, 2014 17:34:28

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) J4Fesq
Love is in the air..

If need to marry, do so in more liberal countries but not in msia..

If want to hv child, dun marry in msia.. only the very rich can do so, hide in private condos and international schools..

Think of the child legal status.. It will be a big issue next time, pls take note tat muslim men(even new converts) can marry 4 times legally with permission from other wives, some dun even need, just go over to more liberal muslim countries to marry again..

Think for yr future child b4 making yr drastic move.. When or if you still want to reside in msia, pls do it the Malaysian way, legally, for yr child sake..!!!

30 Jun, 2014 09:51:00

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Hunter
What if a Malaysian Muslim woman had married a foreign non-Muslim in another country and resided there for several years with their children; the kids raised without religion, if the children were to come back to Malaysia and live, would they be considered Muslim? What if the kids wanted to get married to a Malaysian non-Muslim, can they get married in a non-Muslim ceremony? Would the spouse to be have to convert?
17 Jul, 2014 09:13:37

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) dun come here
Simple solution

Children docs says non muslim, follow civil law,

Muslim wife and non muslim husband, if come back, dun stay in hotels, can stay in same hse but not in same room, otherwise can be charged under muslim laws if someone poke/stab yr back. If caught under newly proposed huduh law, woman can be stoned, and man have to convert and be "cuT"..

If in doubt, follow law of the jungle..

17 Jul, 2014 18:07:43

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Non Muslim Msian
Hunter dear,

If Jane is a muslim, even Tarzan and all their children have to convert and have new muslim names.

Otherwise Jane have committed apostacy, and can be punished under hudud laws, meaning "stoning in public" is a possible option.

When in Malaysia, pls do as most M'sians do, and respect the Muslim laws in this country. Let Malaysian non muslims live in peace and harmony with all the ulamas, utazs, and muslim bros and sis..

Otherwise pls stay wherever u r and enjoy the freedom there. The grass is never greener on the other side.

17 Jul, 2014 18:39:18

New MessageRE:Muslim and Non-Muslim Marriage (modified 0 times) Hunter
So if the children are stated as non-Muslim in the other country that they were born in, means when they come back to Malaysia, they are non-Muslim too and only bounded by civil law?
22 Jul, 2014 08:48:01


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