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 | Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | cintapants | |
Hi everyone - I've noticed that this has been touched on a few times in the forums, but with no real result.
I gather that many others have experience of this - so would be very grateful if you could share your experiences.
- I am a Malaysian citizen that was born in the UK - Malaysia does not recognise Dual Nationality
- Back in 1992 when I returned to the country, I was given the CoE-Right to Abode
- I became resident in this country, but returning to Malaysia frequently enough never to raise suspicion
- Over time, my career required a significant amount of EU and US travel - and the Malaysian passport caused real issues with my frequent travel in and out of the non-UK countries
- I decided to take-up the option to get a British Passport in 2004 to get over this. I also renewed my Malaysian passport in 2004 - which has been a dream, because this gave me almost border-less travel around the world on my British passport and Asia on my Malaysian one. Malaysia assumes that I have ROA as per my passport, so no questions asked about entry stamps and length of time spent in the UK
... UNTIL NOW...
- I renewed my Malaysian passport this month in London and need to transfer my ROA from one passport to another
- But as per the British rule change in 2006, I am now no longer allowed to have a CoE of Right to Abode in my Malaysian passport, because I also have a British one - PROBLEMO!
- The next time I go back to Malaysia (which is an annual event), they will notice that I have no ROA stamp in my passport. This will ultimately raise suspicions about dual nationality and I will be faced with the horror of having to CHOOSE one nationality over the other.
- I do not want to give up my Malaysian citizenship. I don't want my cultural identity wrenched away from me. Moreover, I am an East Malaysian - which means that I can travel to and from Malaysian Borneo without ANY restriction - a real luxury as even Peninsula Malaysians are only granted a 3-month leave to remain in Sabah/Sarawak
- My folks live in Malaysia - I want to be able to see them often and stay in my 'motherland'
- My career still means I travel a lot within the EU and USA, I don't want to have to queue at embassies (let alone being singled out at US immigration because of my Malaysian passport (which has happened about 6 times now) everytime I need to go away for a meeting in New York.
- In the future, I may want to return to East Malaysia - and should I have children, I want them to have the choice of being Malaysian or British too
Can anyone offer any advice????
(1) How can I retain both?
(2) How can I come and go through Malaysia without been 'found-out'?
Ie - How can I have my cake and eat it? LOL
Thanks so much in advance! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Halloween | |
| any penalty if holding dual nationality? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sarawakian | |
Simply staple both the old and new Malaysian passports together. Malaysia Immigration wouldn't ask you why your ROA hasn't been transfered
to the new one. When you enter UK show your British passport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Troika | |
| I was told that a child born outside Malaysia with a Malaysian father, will need to choose if he will be a Malaysian at the age of consent (18 I think). The child should be registered before the age of 1 and have a borang W. Malaysia does not recognise dual-citizenships. Until the age of consent, they're in some sort of quasi-dual citizenship status. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | julie1 | |
| Please let me know if there is any further information relating to this, as I am also in the same situation and visiting Malaysia next year on a Malaysian passport with no ROA! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | alex | |
| you don't need to need to transfer the Right of Abode sticker into your new Malaysian passport, everytime you travel you just need to take all the passports from the last passport with the sticker in to your most recent one (I know some of my friends carry 3-4 passports around with them).
When you do travel to Malaysia make sure you leave the British passport in Britain and travel back using your Malaysian passportS (emphasising on the multiple of passports as mentioned above), you will be able to return to the UK with no problem since you can present an indefinite leave to remain sticker in one of your previous Malaysian passports | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Tommy of Melbourne | |
| What Alex suggested was perfect. Another alternative way is by travelling into/out of Singapore using your UK/OZ Passport and then take a bus/car/train into/out of JB, Msia by using Msian passport. But you must always remember to have/use your Msian passport when you go into/out of JB immigration otherwise you will be in deep ####s if wrong passport is presented. This dual citizenship can only be done (I presume) if the Malaysian passport is always renewed back in Msia whenever it is expired and not in the Msian embassy in UK or OZ, otherwise the Msian Embassy there will able to find out by checking with the local immigration office in regard to your citizenship status. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Lee. | |
| Don't be greedy...you must choose either one soon or later only. I think your main concern would be your taxing and career. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| I have always had R O A certificates on my Malaysian passports, happily transfering them free of charge on to renewed passports. R O A certs are no longer transferable, and must be reapplied at a cost of over Ł300 for each new passport. #### expensive!! I recently returned from Malaysia with my renewed MAL passport issued by High Com London plus carried my old MAL passport (issued in Bintulu Sarawak) with the R O A with me. The Border Official told me that as long as I have the latest old passport with the R O A cert, I was not subject to UK border controls, and I was at liberty to join the UK queue. My Malaysian passport was not even stamped!!!In and out of Malaysia I usually use the automatic barriers, unless they are not working. My only malaysian border stamps are between Miri KL, when I was too lazy to show my Sarawak ID Card. So Cintapants, if you read this note, when travelling to Malaysia, only bring your Malaysian passports with you. Officials have been known to do a search, and if they find you carrying a non Malaysian travel doccument,.... say goodbye to your malaysian citizenship. As for your children, have them in the UK, but register them with the High Com London, making sure you show your Sarawak 'K' IC, otherwise they will loose their 'Sarawak Citizenship'. Now you can have your cake and eat it. Further, there is no need to carry all your old passports as Alex said, just the latest old one!! Finally, if you register with IRIS, then all you have to do at the UK Border Control is to show your EYES to a camera!!!All the Amoh Langs are amazed how fast I get through immigration at heathrow or gatwick! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Frustrated Ahmad | |
| I find the Malaysian Coverment's attitude on Dual Nationality somewhat repugnant and annoying. The Malaysian goverment should realise that when Bapa Malaysia accepted independance from his masters he condoned dual nationality, by allowing those born in the straits settlements before 1948 to have dual citizenship i.e. citizen of the united kingdom and malaysian citizen. Malaysian goverment officials, what are you worried about? If a person has citizenship of another country and chooses to exercise it, then it is the responsibility of the host country to address , not Malaysia's!!!! Your only responsibility is to someone travelling with a Malaysian passport. In other areas you are experts in ignoring your responsibilities and commitments so what is new here?? Listen you goverment bumiputras, its time you came out of your silly mindset, otherwise Mahathir's 2020 will never happen. Allow the flexibility of dual passports for travelling. You should realise that caucasian areas have distorted mindsets and many Malaysians suffer when travelling with Malaysian passports. Until you enforce tit for tat measures, many malaysians will try to obtain foreign passports, not because they want the citizenship, but because it facilitates a less chance of being stopped by a bias immigration official without any scrupples. Either you stop these senseless and unwarrented discrimination activities to avoid malaysian embarraments at border controls, or issue us with diplomatic passports. There is a precedent. Mahathier did it to one of our Malaysian bisnessmen after a silly stupid US Immigration official applied his usual ignorrance. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
"We have to conduct a study on the pros and cons and make a political decision," said Malaysian High Commissioner to Britain Datuk Abdul Aziz Mohamad.
The Government had always been pragmatic in terms of looking at issues, he said in response to the suggestion on dual nationality by Asean-UK Business Forum president S.K. Lingam.
Aziz said the issue was something new, as the country's laws and system did not provide for dual citizenship. Sat, Jan 24, 2009" in the STAR?!! Two responses below
1. Patience Bros Patience. We must allow Malaysian Gov. to have due study process. Read Quotes above. Datuk Aziz you are wrong. Subject is NOT NEW. Frustrated Ahmad is correct about Bapa Malaysia and straits settlements. May you long continue your studies......... THIS VIEW FROM ANNONYMUS.
2. Allo Malaysians, why you so silly? Why you wan two citizen for?? No need lah. Many many goverment children already have two citizenship. This OK. Too many of big shot already happening. Enough Enough, Goverment can cheat, but not simple people.. NO DUAL NATIONAL for every person.......THIS MALAYSIAN GOVERMENT RESPONSE | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | elm0kiss | |
| i am looking at getting my oz citizenship as well and i have renewed my malaysian passport at malaysian high consulate in canberra. does it mean that i will never be able to "play the trick" because they have my information in their system now? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| ElmOkiss Malaysia does not allow Duel Nationally. You say you have renewed your “MY” passport. Does your old passport show that you have right of entry into this “OZ” place??. Can it be transferred to you new “MY” passport??
When applying for your citizenship be open with your situation, and ask them if they do inform the Malaysian High Com there of your application. In UK, when applying for a Brit Passport the Brit Government used to send the Malaysian passport back to Malaysia, but as far as I know, they do not do this anymore.
DO NOT travel to Malaysia with two Passports. Leave your foreign passport behind. If for any reason, you are searched by an immigration officer or police in Malaysia, and they find you have a document indicating you are a citizen of another country, they will clip the corner of your Malaysia Passport and you will loose your Malaysia Citizenship. If you are not fussed about loosing your Malaysian status, then take a chance, and live with any consequences. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | elm0kiss | |
| yeah, i think i will ask the question when it comes. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | S123 | |
| I have a question. With now holding a ROA-less Malaysian passport and British passport, working in Malaysia with the Msian identity, what is the consequences if I get caught, somehow? And if let's say I hold some professional membership like Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA), is this immigration dual nationality issue a problem to professional licence, in terms of ethics and violations?
What is the penalty? Jail? Fine?
Many thanks!!
-S123 | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
S123, you should carefully read what Miri Boy has written. Does your malaysian passport have a stamp beginning "Given leave to entre for etc etc etc"? If so you can maintain your UK status provided you return within a two year period. Malaysia does allow professional qualifications and I know many who are Lawyers both in UK and Malaysia.
Provided you renew your malaysian passport you can travel in and out of the UK if you carry your old passport with the "Given leave to entre...." endorsement to show the border control officer. Do beware of carrying another passport into Malaysia showing you have another nationality. Modern electronics can detect and read what is in your luggage!
If the Malaysian authorities find a foreign passport on you you will loose your Malaysian Citizenship. I have a few Malaysian friends who still work in the UK and some who are back in Malaysia, but have to come back every two years to maintain their UK status. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | S123 | |
| Orang Ulu, my situation is a bit complicated. I used to have ROA on my msian passport but lost that passport and they refused to give me a new passport at the msian embassy in UK. So I had no choice but to pick up a british passport. Years later, I am back to msia for good and successfully reapplied the msian passport. Unintentionally holding two passports. As i understand it, the lost expired msian identity might have overstayed in the UK, although I already have the UK status. I do not know if I should clear that, and how to clear that. Now permanently in msia, do i still have to go back to UK every two years to maintain the uk status? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
| Gee S123, Your situation is complicated!!!! To have got a new passport you would have had to produce a lost police report etc etc. I am unsure how you resolve your situation.
Your UK Passport is valid for 10 years. You do not have to prove you are Brit Cit unless your facial features substancially change. If then you have to submit proof etc etc, when renewing your brit passport. So for the present and up to the validity of your Brit Passport you can go in and out of the UK without any problem.
From what I can gather, you have come back to Malaysia on a Brit Passport and therefore the records show that you have overstayed your "Welcome", in Malaysia as a Brit Cit. Subsequently, you applied for a Mal Passport here in Malaysia, so I presume you have an IC etc etc.
The problem you have is the immigration passport stamps you should have on your malaysian passport including the "Given leave to entre" stamp, for the Malaysia Immigration authorities to show you have UK abode.
If you value your Brit Cit, then I would go to the UK with your two Passports, enter with your Malaysia Passport, and then go to the home Office in Croydon and explain your situation, and ask if you can have the "given leave to remain etc etc" put on your passport, or if not, the possibility to apply for another ROA (Very expensive now). The ROA office in Liverpool do keep all the application records.
Realise you have a time limit stay on your Mal Passport. You could also shwo the Immigration your two passports. You would then loose your immigration stamp on your Mal Passport showing your travel movement, unless he takes pity on you and puts the "Given leave to enter ot remain etc etc" on your passport. Your problem then goes away, unless you are careless and loose your passport again.
The above are the only suggestions I can offer. Good luck in your endeavours | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Orang Ula makes sense, but it seems be a bit complicated. An alternative is to leave things as they are. When the time comes to renew your British Passort, go back to the UK and apply. The processes takes two weeks, if you already have a british passport. If your features have changed then you have to submit documental proof once again. This process will take longer. Exit UK on your Malaysian passport.
Beware that circumnavigating the law is a risky business. Be mindful that passport machines record travel movements. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Anita | |
@ Alex,
Hi, in your reply, you mentioned you know of friends that carry 2-3 passport. I'm interested to buy a second passport but do not know how and who is reliable. Can you check for me, how and where, or perhaps a contact ? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | TEMPEST | |
| Hi, I have london issued MAL passport, the old one has my ROA stamp - i carry both when i travel.
I live in the UK permanantly and probably always will. My parents never applied for UK passport for me when i was little, so now i am 33 still with MAL passport but am a legal UK resident.
I discovered that i can now get UK passport for "free" (just admin fee applies) because of Uk descent on mothers side.
My Question is:
1: If I get UK passport, do i just continue to travel to Malysia on MAL passport?
2: My dad has signed over property in my name in KL, if i lose my MAL passport, am I able to keep/claim the property in the long run? Does it get complicated?
Thanks for any help - much appreciated.
Tempest | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| A UK Passport makes it easier to travel, less questions and checks thrown at you. Do not give up your MY IC or MY passport if you continue to posess property in Malaysia. Makes it a lot easier in dealings etc.
The answer to your first question is "Yes", carrying your old ROA pasport with you. Malaysian immigration now check at the embarkation gate that you have valid entry to your destination country. | |
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| RE: Malaysia Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Matthew | |
| I am a Malaysia citizen, was studying in Australia and become an Australia citizen, living in Australia now.
I wanted to hold both citizenship simply bcoz of parents living in Malaysia and my career in Australia.
I am wondering how to keep both dual nationality and avoid caught by Malaysia government?
By holding dual passport, how to avoid Malaysia government checking and caught if I need to travel back to Malaysia for more than a year time? :-
Travel from Aus to Malaysia
1. When I travel back to Malaysia from Aus, which passport should i use?
2. Will Aus custom stamp both of my passport when I depart from Aus to Malaysia?
3. And, when I reach Malaysia, by using Malaysia passport which allow me to stay as long as I could. But, will the Malaysia custom ask about my travel visa to Aus and why I do not have any arriving and departing stamp on the country I was visit?
4. How to avoid Malaysia custom found out that I am carrying two passport back to Malaysia during custom checking?
Travel from Malaysia to Australia.
5. Does it mean when I am travel back to Australia. I should use my Aus passport at Malaysia Custom as no visa require? Will they check when did I arriving to Malaysia?
6. If I use Malaysia passport travel back to Australia, will they ask for my Aus travel visa on malasyia passport which I would not have one due to dual citizen?
I know there are plenty of people holding dual nationality (incl Malaysia) but I really need to know how does it work before getting my Australia citizenship.
Thanks
I am a Malaysia citizen, was studying in Australia and become an Australia citizen, living in Australia now.
I wanted to hold both citizenship simply bcoz of parents living in Malaysia and my career in Australia.
I am wondering how to keep both dual nationality and avoid caught by Malaysia government?
By holding dual passport, how to avoid Malaysia government checking and caught if I need to travel back to Malaysia for more than a year time? :-
Travel from Aus to Malaysia
1. When I travel back to Malaysia from Aus, which passport should i use?
2. Will Aus custom stamp both of my passport when I depart from Aus to Malaysia?
3. And, when I reach Malaysia, by using Malaysia passport which allow me to stay as long as I could. But, will the Malaysia custom ask about my travel visa to Aus and why I do not have any arriving and departing stamp on the country I was visit?
4. How to avoid Malaysia custom found out that I am carrying two passport back to Malaysia during custom checking?
Travel from Malaysia to Australia.
5. Does it mean when I am travel back to Australia. I should use my Aus passport at Malaysia Custom as no visa require? Will they check when did I arriving to Malaysia?
6. If I use Malaysia passport travel back to Australia, will they ask for my Aus travel visa on malasyia passport which I would not have one due to dual citizen?
I know there are plenty of people holding dual nationality (incl Malaysia) but I really need to know how does it work before getting my Australia citizenship.
Thanks | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | EFYL | |
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| After reading this thread, I am really concern about my situation.
I am Malaysian working abroad for 20 years in different countries. Few years ago I decided to get the US citizenship because I am tired of reapplying PR or Visitor visa every time I return to US after leaving the country more than 12 months. I do plan to eventually return to Malaysia permanently as my entire family are still there.
1) When I return to live in Malaysia, what do I have to do? Apply like a foreigner?
2) What happen to my IC? Will they cancel my IC? If so, how could I claim my EPF money back later?
3) What happen to the house that is under my name (bought prior to the change of citizenship)? Will it consider a foreign owned property?
4) If I buy a property now, am I considered foreigner?
5) If my father transfer property ownership to me now, will it considered foreign transaction?
My son was declined Malaysian citizenship because he was born overseas to a non Malaysian father. Only US government gave him citizenship eventhough he was born in a 3rd country. Now I have to wait until he finishes school in the US before I could return to Malaysia.
It may sound not so patriot but people do have various reason wanting to keep dual citizenship. I love my parents in Malaysia and I love my son too.
Comment and guidance appreciated. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust123 | |
| I am living in Australia and is currently holding both Aust and M'sia passport. Successfully used both passports to travel to M'sia with no problem May this year (2011). The only way to do this is to transmit thru 3rd country eg. Singapore or Brunei.
Depart Aust-Aust Passport
Enter Brunei-M'sia Passport
Exit Brunei and Enter M'sia (Limbang)- M'sia Passport.
Exit M'sia and Enter Brunei- M'sia Passport
Exit Brunei (flight to Brisbane)- M'sia Passport. But show Brunei Immigration that I'll enter Aust using my Aust Passport. 3rd country don't care how many passport you have. But never show M'sia immi that u have 2 passports!!
Enter Aust- Aust Passport.
*FOR Aust passport holder, Aust immi will no stamp your Aust passport when you enter or exit Aust.
I am going back to Limbang (small Malaysian Town bordering Brunei) next month to renew my M'sia Passport.
Question:
Anyone has successfully using 2 passports like me before and can still renew Msian Passport in Malaysia with no problem? I worried that upon renewal, M'sia passport department may want me to produce my Aust Visa as if they checked my "in and out" of M'sia, they would realised that I lived most of my life outside M'sia.
Will they check or just blindly RENEW!!!!
Any feedback?
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | PPV77 | |
| Dear Aust123,
How many times/years have you used your "technique" ?
Using a 3rd country seem to be the most practical method !
Rgds | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust123 | |
| Just got back from Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia trip in Jan 2012. Successfully renewed Malaysian Passport. Exit Aust using Aust passport and enter Aust using Aust Passport. Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia all use Malaysia passport. When coming back MUST use third country. ie Singapore in this case. Showed Singapore airport check in operator Malaysia passport and Aust passport. Malaysia to exit Singapore back to Aust and Aust passport to enter Aust. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Aust123, did Singapore immigration stamp your Malaysian passport when you transited there to catch your outbound flight? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| It is the Singapore Changi Airport check in counter (to get your boarding pass) that check how you are going into Aust without Aust Visa on Malaysia Passport. Thus, I showed them my Aust Passport. Singapore Immigration just need a valid passport to enter and exit Singapore. They stamped my Malaysian Passport when Exit Singapore on outboard flight to Australia. Singapore Immigration did not care if you have valid passport to enter Aust. This is because they just responsible for in/out and it is NOT their job to check where you are going when EXIT the country.
The same thing applied to Brunei Airport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Before you obtained your Cit status, you must have had documentary proof that you were legally entitled to stay without immigration restrictions,i.e. either a letter, or a stamp in one of your old passports. The Hi Com here in London will not renew my MY passport without me showing my old passport with the right of Abode Cert(ROC), showing I have unrestricted stay.
The automatic gates scan your passport and record your last 10 movements or so against a check list. If an issue is found, the gate won't open and the immigration officer will scan and check that you have valid reasons to be away, i.e working/student visa, or PR etc in your MY passport or ask for other documentary proof. Your MY passport has an exit stamp. The scan in MY will show how long you have been away....Your proof???? if questioned?????? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | USAguy77 | |
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| Hi Aut123,
I m contemplating of getting US citizenship. I am happy for your recent trips to Malaysia. Wonder:
1) Does your Aussie passport have the same name as your Malaysian Passport? [Note: 'coz in US, most people will change their First Name, eg Nelson Tan, or Wendy Chang, during naturalization process].
2) What Name did you use when you purchased your flight ticket back to Australia and also to Brunei? Did you just follow all the information in you Aussie passport? From what i know, for US and even Australia, you must depart or enter US using the same information using US passport.
3)Did Brunei Custom and S'pore Custom ask for your Aussie passport when you landed or departed? What information did you fill for the embarkation card/ departure card - based on Aussie passport or Malaysian passport?
Very grateful if you can reply.
All the best! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Here is the answer:
Before you obtained your Cit status, you must have had documentary proof that you were legally entitled to stay without immigration restrictions,i.e. either a letter, or a stamp in one of your old passports. The Hi Com here in London will not renew my MY passport without me showing my old passport with the right of Abode Cert(ROC), showing I have unrestricted stay.
Answer: Aust government allow dual citizenship. Thus, obtaining citizenship of Aust will have no problem while having Malaysia citizenship. Once you obtained British citizenship say, if you need to renew your Malaysian Passport, DO NOT RENEW IN LONDON or in any high com. As you said, they will check your ROC and once you are British Citizen, then there will be no ROC right? Same as Australian won't have any Permanent Residency Visa on Malaysian Passport anymore. YOU NEED TO RENEW your PASSPORT in MALAYSIA ONLY!!!!
The automatic gates scan your passport and record your last 10 movements or so against a check list. If an issue is found, the gate won't open and the immigration officer will scan and check that you have valid reasons to be away, i.e working/student visa, or PR etc in your MY passport or ask for other documentary proof. Your MY passport has an exit stamp. The scan in MY will show how long you have been away....Your proof???? if questioned??????
ANSWER: I have entered Malaysia using Malaysian Passport TWICE so far in the past 12 months. My Malaysian passport don't have any foreign visa attached. It was really clean with a few stamp from mainly Singapore, Brunei, etc. The immigration officer is an "an passport analyzer". When enter in Malaysia using Malaysia passport, they just scan your passport and do nothing more than that!! Do not expect them to conduct "entry exit timeframe check". They don't paid high enough to check that in details and question you why you have been away from Malaysia for 2 years and where do you stay while overseas and where is your Visa status for overseas.
In case they ask?? If can say that your VISA for overseas stay eg. PR visa was on your old passport and you did not have it with you.
The same thing applied if you are trying to renew your Malaysian Passport in Malaysia. I was quite worried that Passport Officer will conduct "Entry, Exit time frame check" and ask me where is my Visa for overseas stay for such a long time. However, I have successfully renewed my PASSPORT with 1 hour express guaranteed pick up and no QUESTION ASKED!!! They either don't have time to check or too lazy or it was not on their standard operating protocol to check!!!
If they did said, just said that you left the old passport at home that has overseas resident visa. Then, too bad, you can't renew your passport then. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Correction to Miri Boy.
The immigration officer is an "an passport analyzer"
I meant, "immigration officer is NOT passport analyzer". At least, not in Malaysia... maybe in other countries??? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Dear USA guy 77,
Here is the answer:
1) Does your Aussie passport have the same name as your Malaysian Passport? [Note: 'coz in US, most people will change their First Name, eg Nelson Tan, or Wendy Chang, during naturalization process].
Answer: I am using the SAME name on both Aussie and Malaysian Passport. Back to Malaysia 4 times in the past 5 years. The first 2 trips always used Aussie Passport for the whole trip and exit Aust, enter Malaysia, etc all use Aussie Passport. The last 2 trip used both passports was to "test the system" for the trip 6 months ago and renew passport for the trip in January 2012. Also, must use 2 passports if need to renew passport in Malaysia. You need to use Malaysia passport to ENTER Malaysia and renew there. If not, when passport officer checked, your status might still be overseas on the passport u tried to renew. Whenever possible, try just use Aussie Passport for the whole trip.
2) What Name did you use when you purchased your flight ticket back to Australia and also to Brunei? Did you just follow all the information in you Aussie passport? From what i know, for US and even Australia, you must depart or enter US using the same information using US passport.
Answer: Air ticket always have the same name as Passport ie for me, they are the same. Aust government advised dual citizen to use Aust passport to ENTER and EXIT Australia. It is up to you what passport to use to ENTER other countries in the world. But you might NOT have "Australian diplomatic protection" if you enter another country using non-Australian Passport.
3)Did Brunei Custom and S'pore Custom ask for your Aussie passport when you landed or departed? What information did you fill for the embarkation card/ departure card - based on Aussie passport or Malaysian passport?
Answer: When landed in Brunei and Singapore, I used my Malaysian Passport to enter. They will NOT ask for other passport as they don't care where you came in from. What they are checking mainly your criminal record, etc on the passport you are using to ENTER into their country.
When departed Brunei or Singapore TO AUSTRALIA, only the check-in counter will ask you how are you going to enter Australia without visa on your blank Malaysian Passport? I then showed them my Aust Passport and tell them this is how I enter Aust. The custom has no interest in your dual citizenship. Thus, never ask anything. Just use your Malaysian Passport to depart custom in Brunei or Singapore.
To fill in the card to enter Brunei/Singapore. I said that I am Malaysian. ie if you want to use Malaysian Passport to enter Brunei/Singapore, then disclose that you are Malaysian and use the Malaysian Passport details.
On the other hand, if you plan to use Aust Passport to enter Brunei/Singapore, then use your Aust Passport details to fill in the CARD. It is very simple.
Aust passport to enter Brunei need to pay B$30. Thus, best to enter Brunei using Malaysian Passport to avoid paying "visa on arrival fee" for Australian. For Singapore, Aust can enter with no visa and free!
Malaysia passport will last for 5 years. For the next 5 years, I'll only use Aust passport for my round trip and NOT using 2 passports. The use of 2 passports will be essential on the trip back home that you NEED TO RENEW your Malaysian Passport.
Whenever possible, try to avoid using 2 passports for overseas trip. Aust passport will have better diplomatic protection than Malaysia Passport if you stuck in a country where you need consular assistance. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Frustrated Ahmad | |
| Malaysian Govt. Do you read these and other postings on DUAL Nationality??? and the problems Malaysians encounter. I travel using my MY Passport and I am so frustrated having to be in Europe or other Caucasian areas. So often I am held up because ot the color of my skin and then further because of my MY Passport. And more too, when I return home I find that the Malaysian Immigration counter QUEUE is longer and than the foreign one at KILA, especially when the auto gates are not working! Those foreigners really laugh at us.
We cannot and should not allow Dual nationality for every country. Just as we ban travel to Israel, and in the past, China, and have various selective visa restrictions, surely we can also be selective for Malaysians to have Dual Nationality. Many Malaysians are overseas for economic reasons and the return renumerations to Malaysia are beneficial. Most of the countries that allow Dual Nationality are making it very difficult for non Caucasians to get citizenship now. Why penalise the dwindling Malaysians that are eligable. PLEASE look at our frustrations of travelling to Caucasian countries. I really feel sorry for some of the threads here where Malaysians have to break the law, so that they can travel and work away from home.
I do not have to spell out the countries I refer to. You said you were going to review this law a few years ago. KENA APA TIDAK BUNYI????! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | USAguy77 | |
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| Hi Aust123,
Thanks for your reply.
By the way, is it possible for me to renew my passport at Malaysia consulate in Los Angeles? I am worried that the LA consulate will have my US permanent resident record since they asked for a copy of my permanent resident card.
[Note: currently, I have not yet applied for US citizenship.]
I read some threads that we should not renew our passport at the overseas consulate/high commission.
Will this cause problem if later I become US citizen and when i return to Malaysia to renew my Malaysian passport?
Have you ever renewed yr Malaysian passport when you were Aussie permanent resident with the Malaysian High
Commission in Australia?
Please share your view. Thanks! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Aust 123, Thks 4 Ur reply. Himmmmm, it seems so awful the things and risks we have to take as Malaysians in order not to loose our Citizenship. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi USAGuy77,
I never renew my Malaysian Passport in Australia because:
Malaysian government only allowed passport to be renewed in person in Canberra high com. Yes!! For the whole Australia as big as China, you are only allowed to go to one place in person ie Canberra to renew passport.
No postal renewal allowed!!
I am not sure if you renew your Malaysian Passport in LA and if you applied citizenship in the future, Malaysia government might find out if have dual citizenship. The best way is to try renew in Malaysia if you can.
It is a shame that as Malaysian we need to "break the law" to have dual citizenship where such privilege is openly available for most citizen of western countries. I have a Taiwanese friend legally hold 3 passports. ie New Zealand, Australia & Taiwan!!!!!!
I have read an online thread before that a member of parliament in Malaysia also have dual citizenship and it was revealed by Opposition in the Parliament. Due to "Malaysian way of doing thing", she (the politician) can openly break the law and nothing can be done on her. This "double standard" of law enforcement is really sad. Am I right? Is this factual? I might be wrong.
It would be more interested to learn more about this case and implication of "if caught with dual citizenship". Anyone can provide feedback on this?
I heard that the worse come to worse, if caught, you'll just have to denounce your Malaysian Citizenship.
All the best to anyone trying to hold dual citizenship. Towards the end, if you live in UK, US or AUS, etc almost half your life and there will be no possibility of living in Malaysia in the future, would it really matter if you lose your Malaysian citizenship? I know many Malaysian denounced Malaysian citizenship after getting Aust citizenship in order to get $$ out from EPF. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Vonnie | |
| I have read this thread with interest as I am in the same situation. However, one big BUT....
If I get a Brit passport the ROA in my old passport will eventually be 3,4,5 passports old as I have to renew my MY passport every 5 years. Currently my ROA sticker is in old passport 2 meaning I carry 2 MY passports with me but in 15 years time it will be in old passport 5! Does this make sense?
So how to solve the problem.... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Vonnie,
Will ROA ever expired or you need to renew it every 5 years? Will ROA cease to be issued or auto invalid once you are British Citizen?
In Australia, PR will have PR sticker on their M'sian Passport and is subject for renewal once every 5 years by Aust immigration. Thus, for PR you might renew your Msian passport but still have PR sticker in old passport ie carrying 2 passports is common for PR. Once you take up Aust citizenship, PR sticker will NOT be renewed anymore. Thus, you'll only have a blank Malaysian Passport.
As of 2012 real practical test case, Passport Office did not ask for my PR sticker as they did not conduct "country in, out analysis". Thus, it is possible to maintain 2 passports provided you use 3rd country eg Singapore or Brunei as a transit hub for your trip back to Malaysia from UK. Then, you can renew your passport in Malaysia with no problem.
Another option is to ask to see if British Immigration still can issue you a new ROA despite the fact that you are already citizen. I doubt it.
Hope this help. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
I am in a similar situation. I have not applied for a ROA Cert. They cost ÂŁ169 now, over RM500 each time. Once apon a time they only charged for the first one. Proof is now needed with each new application, and I cannot be bothered to send the documents to Liverpool. I just carry the old MY Passport with the ROA in it. 'Leave to remain' vignettes are also not tranferable. I have a doctor friend who has the same problem, but renews his MY passport in Miri.
I need to to renew my MY passport July 2012 in London. ROA Certs are only valid if the passport is current. My present MY passport does not have a ROA Cert. Will be interesting to note what the MY High Com will say to me.
If you get a Brit Passport you cannot apply for a ROA Cert. I do not intend to apply for a new ROA cert, but carry my old passport and then argue with the immi officer that I have already met the criteria of having PR in UK.
You could take a chance, apply for a Brit Passport, and then do what has been suggested here, always renew your MY passport in Malaysia, and then use either Singapore, Brunei, Bangkok etc to return to the UK on your Brit Passport. Also remember, you could apply for a ROA Cert at the UK High Com in KL, if you have the time, then your lengthy stay in UK will not be questioned.
Finally, its a real shame that the Concervative Govt. threw out UK ID cards. I was looking forward to get my UK PR ID Card. The two passport problem would have gone away! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Western countries usually don't have ID card. Australia also don't have one and the idea of introducing one has been strongly opposed by most Australian and ideology of Civil libertarianism.
Government is not free to introduce what they want and opposition power is very strong. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| To clarify. Tony Blair/Gordon Brown's Labour Govt. had already started issuing ID Cards in the UK Midlands on a voluntary basis. About 30,000 took up the offer at ÂŁ30 a throw. The final roll out was to be a modified special for UK PRs who were non UK Cits, i.e. MYs SINs etc. David Cameron (Con Govt) threw the scheme out and destroyed the ID database. All issued UK ID cards are now invalid. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Interesting story. This showed that most westerners wanted privacy and prefer NOT to have ID cards. Also, UK government responded to public pressure even it was just voluntary roll out???
Anyway, we'll keep this forum as "Dual Nationality" so that we don't branch out too much.
Awaiting for more people to contribute to this forum. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | nivea11 | |
| Hi Aus123
i was thinking to get a nz citienship recently.. I have read how you enter and exit msia/aus. its sounds great and a few people i know that are holding a dual citizenship were doing the same things. but i found a few problems when i was travelling that really concerned me.
at the check in counter, I was usually asked to present a return ticket to msia if i were to travel overseas.. my fren was asked to present a return ticket(in klia) despite he explained that he will get a student visa once in nz and buy a return ticket when he know when he finished his exams. he was forced to book a ticket on spot (not with the counter) before checking in. so did you bought a return ticket to aus?
i flew to brunei and transited to nz before.. before departing, there will be a staff double checking your valid visa.. it was frustrating because i was once asked by a staff that accused me for not having a valid visa to enter nz. i need explained to her what my PR meant to her.. and other staffs in the room show no interest to help or to clarify the matter, causing a long queue behind me. you were really brave to show ur passport to the sg immgration.. i was concerned if i did the same thing in other country especially brunei. they will share this information to the msia gov because I once read a news saying that canada has been helping msia to identify dual citizenship ppl..
i m not sure about aus but nz doesnt allow the use of visa in an old passport. we always need to go to the embassy and get a new PR sticker on the msian passport. I would like to ask if any country you know of or anyone who read this reply could tell me that their country do not allow the use of visa in old passport.
malaysia will be left behind if they still refused to allow dual citizenship. as i know our neighbouring countries like vietnam and philipines have recently allowed. stop pushing away the ppl that could help the countries' future and recruiting ppl that cause more trouble than help
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi nivea11,
3 important points to cover here in answering your questions:
1. It is norm for airline to check and make sure you have return air ticket if you travel to a country NOT your principle of residence. eg. when I travel to Malaysia using Australian Passport, it is compulsory to have return air ticket back to Australia. However, if you can produce proof that you have valid visa to stay in the "third country", then no return air ticket required. Your friend should have obtained NZ student visa in Malaysia before departing Malaysia. I found it strange for student NOT having visa and travel to NZ and claimed that the visa will only be issued there. Thus, under "normal circumstances", most students would have student visa issued in (say NZ high com) in Malaysia and thus one way ticket would be accepted.
2. I have both showed both my Malaysian Passport and Australian Passport in Brunei and Singapore Airport before. One major point you need to understand is that the PASSPORTS were shown to the "CHECK IN COUNTER" staff. They are NOT immigration officer. It is their duty (check in counter staff) to check and make sure you have valid visa to enter the destination country in your air ticket. If they did not do that, the airline can be fined!!
I never show my 2 passports to IMMIGRATION OFFICER in Singapore or Brunei. This is NOT required and you do not need to show both passports to them. IMMIGRATION OFFICER does not need to make sure you have valid visa to enter your destination country. Their duty is to make sure you ENTER and EXIT "their" country legally. That's all. Thus, story of Canadian Immigration Office helping Malaysian Government to trace down DUAL CITIZENSHIP holders might be a big hard to believe. Bear in mind that "dual citizenship" is not a major international crime and thus, for 2 country to sign an agreement to co-operate in tracking down this "crime" sound a big strange. Also, western countries have strong PRIVACY LAWS and thus usually won't be committed to this kind of agreement if this dual citizenship is legalized in their country. For Singapore or Brunei, as I mentioned before, immigration officers are NOT interested in checking your visa to your destination country. Imaging so many passports and so many destination countries that passed thru the Immigration EXIT counters each day. They don't care where you are going because you had legally EXIT their countries and where you go to is not their problem anymore. THUS, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW BOTH PASSPORTS TO IMMI OFFICER IN SINGAPORE OR BRUNEI. On the other hand, airlines has duty of care to make sure you have valid visa to enter the country on your air ticket. THUS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SHOW BOTH PASSPORTS TO COUNTER CHECK IN OFFICER IN SINGAPORE OR BRUNEI.
3. Australia allowed PR visa to be on old passport. Thus, it is common for Malaysian to hold 1 old Malaysian Passport with PR visa stamp and the new Malaysian Passport for travelling. However, once you obtained citizenship, PR visa won't be issued anymore.
I hope this clear things up.
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 1 times) | sotong | |
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| to nivea11:
RE: "i m not sure about aus but nz doesnt allow the use of visa in an old passport. we always need to go to the embassy and get a new PR sticker on the msian passport. I would like to ask if any country you know of or anyone who read this reply could tell me that their country do not allow the use of visa in old passport."
Canadian visas in old passports are not valid.
Also, if anyone here is interested, the official proof of permanent resident status in Canada is the Permanent Resident Card. No sticker is placed in our passports unless you are from a non-visa-exempt country like Malaysia. Also, the sticker is only valid for a single entry. It is expected that you would use a PR card for subsequent returns to Canada.
If granted Canadian citizenship, Canadian PRs with valid PR cards must return them at the citizenship ceremony. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
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| Canadian citizens must use a valid Canadian passport to return to Canada. However, according to http://www.asianpacificpost.com/article/canada-helps-malaysians-break-citizenship-laws, in the past the High Commission of Canada in Kuala Lumpur was issuing special visas to Canadian Malaysians so that they can enter Canada on their Malaysian passports. Unfortunately, the Malaysian government found out. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Sotong,
Interesting article!! This showed that Canada never helped Malaysian government to prosecute dual citizenship. In fact, they HELPED Malaysian. But found out by Malaysian government. : (
Copy and paste from the article, "Malaysia does not recognize dual nationality and it is criminal offence for Malaysians to have multiple passports. Malaysians found holding dual citizenship are automatically stripped of their Malaysian citizenship."
My advice is.. if you "treasure" your Malaysian Citizenship, then of course the risk is there by using my method to avoid detection, thus be loyal to Malaysia and don't take on dual citizenship.
However, if you don't mind to be stripped Malaysian citizenship automatically, then take the risk and do it. If found, they will strip your citizenship automatically. This method is easier than go to denounce your Malaysian citizenship voluntarily where you have to go thru the hassle of filling it form, pay fee, queuing, etc.
Denouncing Malaysian citizenship can be troublesome process and some may choose this "risky" method and if found out, it is GOOD also as not need to denounce and auto stripped!! "one stone 2 birds"...... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| This is just one of the examples where for those in power, you can get around with having dual citizenship where authorities closed one eye.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2011/12/17/poser-over-dual-citizenship/ | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| Hi guys,
My Malaysian passport still has 3 years validity with a UK PR sticker and I'm now qualified for a British passport. Hope you can answer the following questions:
1. Does anyone who has UK PR sticker on their Malaysian passport, only uses Malaysian passport whenever they visit Malaysia and only uses their British passport when they arrive/landed in Heathrow?
2. Will UK immigration question why hasn't there any entry and exit stamps from Malaysia on the British passport?
3. As my final destination is usually to East Malaysia, I don't remember receiving exit and entry stamps on my Malaysian passport either in Singapore or Brunei if you are only in transit. Do you mean 'physically' getting out of Singapore and then travel to JB to catch an East Malaysian flight and 'physically' out from Brunei and travel by road / ferry to East Malaysia?
Hope to hear your answers. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pantat Itam Brit | |
Slay I think you have two choices.
1) Renew your MAL passport at the High Com in London. Transfer your PR to new passport at Croydon, if you want to at extra cost. (I would not because of expense). When you travel to MAL carry your two MAS passports and your IC. Malaysian Immigration will not bar you from travelling back if they see you have PR entitlement in your old passport. With your existing MAL passport and your new one you will have about 8 yrs of unhindered travel to Malaysia/UK using your MAS passports. The Brit Immigration officer will not stamp your passport if he sees your PR sticker in your old passport. Cakap masok saheja. As a precaution carry your brit passport with you to show just in case you get a nasty Immigration officer in UK. Believe me they are there. You could also renew your MAS passport in Miri, or KK. Only takes a few hours! The problem is not entering UK, it is exiting Malaysia if you cannot prove you have PR in destination country! You must proof that you can ”Balik Kampong Lah”
You say your journey ends in East Malaysia, where? Sabah or Sarawak. You are right, no stamps in transit, but if your onward journey is from Brunei or Singapore, the passports are stamped at KK, Kuching by air, or if by road at Sungai Tujoh. Do not know the road/ferry crossings, procedures into Sabah.
I took a Brit Passport because of my travel requirements to Europe, China and USA. My company was fed up with me having to apply for this and that visa. I also had to renew my MAS passport frequently, because most of the pages were used up by visas and stamps! You may not have this problem if your journeys are few.
2) I would not use a Brit passport into Malaysia, because foreigners are finger printed, unless you have friends or family who can help you. Jealous Malaysian Immigration officers can cross check with your IC. There is also a time limit.
Finally, renew your IC when in Malaysia. New ones have double photographs, one big one small!
Finally, Finally, fabulous if Malaysia could recognise dual nationality for ALL us Malaysians for the following european countries, USA, Canada, Australia New Zealand and UK. Reading these forums, it seems that Malaysia would benefit most. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| Thank you so much for your answers.
I usually would prefer to renew my passports back in MAL which is quicker and easier. What do you mean by 'The Brit Immigration officer will not stamp your passport if he sees your PR sticker in your old passport' ? I thought it is still ok to carry your old passport with the PR sticker together with your new MAL passport.
Is it allowed to use your MAL passport to enter the UK knowing that you have a Brit passport? Would it be a problem with UK Immigration?
I personally think it's important to have the entry UK stamps on the MAL passport because everytime we return to MAL, I think immigration in MAL would check the consistency of our travel movement (i.e date left MAL and date arrived in UK). That is why I would still prefer to use MAL passport when entering the UK to accummulate the entry stamps. But will UK immigration allow me to do that knowing that I have a Brit passport? That's the big question mark for me???
I seriously think MAL government should bucket up their arrogance and allow dual citizenship. I'm originally from KK and I too travel alot for work and having a Brit passport just makes life much easier. The MAL government has to understand that doesn't make me less of a Malaysian. MAL will always be home to me. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 1 times) | sotong | |
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| Hi Slay,
RE: "Is it allowed to use your MAL passport to enter the UK knowing that you have a Brit passport? Would it be a problem with UK Immigration?"
In my opinion, using a PR visa to enter the UK when you are in fact a citizen is misrepresentation. At least this is the case in Canada. Once you become a British citizen, you are no longer a permanent resident and should not be using the PR visa. In Canada, they make sure you can't do this by:
- issuing a single-use PR visa in the passport that is valid only for the first entry into Canada (when you are first granted permanent resident status)
- subsequent entries to Canada as a PR require a PR card which they take back at the citizenship ceremony | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
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| Hi Sotong,
Thanks so much for sharing about the Canadian system. I'm still so naive about having a second passport!
Cheers. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pantat Itam Brit | |
| "I usually would prefer to renew my passports back in MAL which is quicker and easier. What do you mean by 'The Brit Immigration officer will not stamp your passport if he sees your PR sticker in your old passport' ? I thought it is still ok to carry your old passport with the PR sticker together with your new MAL passport."
Slay, the logic goes like this. When your enter UK you will show the immigration officer your two passports for examination. He will let you through with a chop "V.I.P.P." in your new Malaysian Passport. The chop simply means, "Visa In Previous Passport". He is not allowed to give you an entry or exit stamp in in your new passport, because it invalidates your "Leave to Remain" condition. When travelling out of malaysia, you have to show this chop to the malaysian immigration officer, otherwise he will ask for a return ticket. Just make sure you have the page accessable to the immigration officer. He will not spend time looking for the VIPP stamp
Applying for a "Leave To Remain" vignette at Croydon is cumbersome troublesome and expensive. Am not sure what the fee is now. Somebody told me it is ÂŁ495. Yes applying in KK for a new passport is easier, but ÂŁ459; and it goes up every year, every 4.5 years for PR transfer, I tak boleh tahan lah. I rather carry old passports around.
Of course entering UK using a PR visa is bucking the system. Upa boleh buat, Malaysia does not allow two passports. Countries that allow dual nationality don't care what you use. You can be a cit of Britain, but do not let malaysia know. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Transfer for PR, leave to remain is ÂŁ100. http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/aboutus/fees-table-spring-2011.pdf
I think the ÂŁ495 fee is from the site below
http://workpermitconsultants.co.uk/ | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| This is interesting, I never know about V.I.P.P stamp! Thanks Pantat Itam Brit to clarifying(I just can't stop laughing at your nick name, man!)
I understand now what you mean about renewing your MAL passport in London rather than in KK, and applying for PR sticker transfer to your new passport at Croydon.
To be honest, I never registered my name at the MAL High Com in London. I always had the perception that if my name and home address is with the High Com, immigration in MAL can easily contact them in London and investigate whether I have applied for a Brit passport. This is what happen to a friend of mine recently...She went home for a holiday and immigration did an investigation on her whether she has a Brit passport. This is what she was told at the airport immigration. Of course she never applied for a Brit passport and was ok to go.
When you think about with today's digital age, the computer can easily do a check with our names. Unless of course you have legally changed it! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pantat Itam Brit | |
| correct about digital age. Thats why I takut cap tangan. Aku punya baram nama dalam bumi surat dan kad ta sama dan surat negeri ini. Faham Ta?? As for my nick name its the only true thing about me LOL | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| Alamak...Aku faham bah! Susah lah kalau nama tidak sama...hahaha
My only worries is that if I get caught my MAL immigration with a Brit passport, they will strip my MAL citizenship. I still have family back home and property and an active bank account which I use it to send money to the family. Susah lah nanti.... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | banana | |
| This has all been quite interesting. I have UK PR (indefinite leave to remain) and each time I enter UK, they continue to stamp the date of entry. I am told that PR can not queue in the citizen queue at the UK passport control. Is that not the case?
I just had a baby in UK too and am about to apply for a UK passport for him. From what I read, I just need to register him with the M’sian high com before he turns one so that he can then choose if he wants to be M’sian before he turns 18. Can anyone confirm this?
Also, just realised that my MAS passport is going to expire soon, so I have no choice but to renew it in London.
I intend to apply for UK passport after that and intend on continuing to use my MAS passport when going to M’sia. Though I wonder how much trouble/questions will they give me at the M’sian passport control when they see that my son has a UK passport. Anyone done this before? Care to share? Thanks! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
| Banana, Register your baby with the Hi Com in London ASAP and get him a Malaysian Passport. You can apply for a UK passport for him later. Ofcoures the Malaysian Immigration officer will ask you about his status... and yours. I would not invite the situation if I were you. Some of them are very jealous of Malaysians staying overseas
The stamp with your PR sticker is to verify the date you entered UK. PR is an open ended visa to remain in UK provided you are NOT away for two years. If you do not comply, your PR becomes invalid. Your Malaysian passport is still classified as a non EU passport, and therefore you are not allowed in the UK Cit queue. The only way you can get a UK passport is after you become a naturalised UK citizen. You will not be issued with further PR stickers for your Malaysian passport if you get a UK Passport. If your long-term is to settle in Uk, then get UK passports and just pulang for three months only. If you retain your Malaysian passport you will have to pay ÂŁ100 to get the PR sticker transferred or travel with two passports etc. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | banana | |
| Thanks for your quick reply, orang ulu.
if I apply for MAS passport for my baby, don't I have to go to UKBA to get the UK PR (ILR) for him too? Am not too keen for that hassle and probably costs a bomb  | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
Quick reply because I am in UK at present! I stay at Malaysia Hall because the cost is reasonable, plus I am "at home"!!
Your choices.
A Brit Passport. Its very hard for him to claim MAS cit in future no matter what Mas officials say now. So Mas passport is a good option. Best of both worlds
A PR sticker from Croydon on Mas passport. A lot of hassle and probably ÂŁ100 cost. But only once as you can carry old passport with you once it expires. How long can your little one carry his old passports??
A ROA (Right of Abode Certificate) from Liverpool. Drawback, a postal service and your documents may get lost in the post. Cost ÂŁ162. Immigration officials will accept carrying ROAs in old passports, but for how long??
You have some difficult decisions to make. You know what, I know a few malaysians Malaysia hall resturant who have PR at present and some have ROAs. They are from Kedah and Perlis. You do not want to hear what they say about our Goverment!!! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Banana,
I was still a PR (not Aust citizen) when my first baby was born in Aust. She is Aust Citizen automatically when either parents are PR. Because I was still NOT Aust citizen yet at that time, as a father, I can apply Malaysian Birth Cert which entitled her to apply for Malaysian Passport and decide on nationality before 18 yo. However, when the second baby was born, I have already got my Aust Citizenship, despite mum is still only PR, the second baby is not eligible for Malaysian birth cert. Based on Malaysian Law, father must NOT be citizenship of another country when the baby was born. They don't care about mum's status.
We used to always travel with 2 Malaysian passports (myself and wife) and 2 Aust Passports for my kids back to KLIA. No question asked.
In recent years also travel and enter into Malaysia using 3 Aust Passports (myself and 2 kids) and 1 Malaysian Passports for wife, also no problem. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | banana | |
| Thanks orang ulu and aust 123.
aust 123, Good to know that it doesn't cause any hassles. I will definitely get the malaysian birth cert for my son.
orang ulu, I am curious to know what the few malaysians Malaysia hall resturant people have to say about the m'sian govt.
cheers | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orang kl | |
My two UK born baby who are holding malaysia and UK passport facing serious problem now.
As the malaysia passport have no UK status, so I think Malaysia embassy in London will not allow for renew, I cant apply for ROA as UK refuse to give , if I apply indifinate leave to remain will cost GBP972 per kid not gurantee UK will approve or not, but i really hope my two kids are still holding Malaysia nationality in future. what can i do?????
somemore I had make the mistake as I use UK passport for them to enter Malaysia for holiday. really dont know how the future will be...
Urgent advice please... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| orang kl you say your babies have both malaysian and british passports?? Therefore Malaysia has recognised them as being Malaysian citizens. Is their Father British???? If use then just use malaysian passports when you enter malaysia with them again. They do not need Leave to Remain because their UK birth certificates will allow them exit from malaysia and entry into UK. I think Leave to Remain visas cost ÂŁ100, but croydon will not issue if they have british passports. Were the babies finger printed when they entered Malaysia?? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
miriboy. no both of us r malaysian, actually first I apply Malaysia passport first but didnt apply for leave to remain or ROA , than I apply for UK passport and use it to enter into Malaysia without fingerprint, now my problem as I need to renew the passport , if at London sure they will ask her status in here,so I just show birt cert???? if at Malaysia, again will they check out that they hv use UK passport enter b4????
anyone can help??? really get headache for me.... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
| High Comm in London already mention they need ROA in baby Malaysia passport, which I cant get it now, so the only choice to renew the passport will be at Malaysia and I go thro 3rd country??
When I renew at Malaysia, will they find out that I had use the UK passport to enter Malaysia before??
If I let the passport to be expired, will it be any difficulties in future again???
Anyone can give some suggestion??
Thank you very much!! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
| "When I renew at Malaysia, will they find out that I had use the UK passport to enter Malaysia before??"
Probably not. IMO, there's a pretty low chance they'll be able to detect this accurately since your children were not finger-printed when they entered Malaysia on their British passports previously.
They should use their Malaysian passports this time though (when going back to Malaysia for the renewal).
"If I let the passport to be expired, will it be any difficulties in future again???"
If you allow the passports to expire, you won't be able to use them to enter Malaysia which means if you want to renew them in the future, you'd either have to:
1) Do it in London, OR
2) Enter Malaysia with their British passports.
(i.e. you'd still be faced with the same problems you are facing now)
I have a suggestion that I'm not quite sure would work. You could call UKBA to confirm this. AFAIK, they do not issue the CoE-RoA if you have ANOTHER WAY of proving your RoA (such as a British passport). What IF you allowed the British passports to expire and do not renew them? Are you then eligible for a CoE-RoA in your Malaysian passport? Just a thought.  | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
sotong,
thanks fr your suggestion, i try to call UKBA , they cant gv me ILR which costGBP972 and GBP160 for ROA now coz they have British passport.
Do you think I can apply ROA at Malaysia then?? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
| UKBA suggest me go back Malaysia use Malaysia passport and back UK using British passport to enter. what is the consequence if Malaysia find out that my children have two passport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
| No, you will not be able to apply for ROA in Malaysia. The UK will not stick ROA stickers in your children's Malaysian passports because they have a VALID British passport that they can use to prove their ROA already.
What you should ask UKBA is whether you can apply for ROA stickers to be placed in your children's Malaysian passports if you allow their British passports to expire (and not renew them). As far as I know, you are allowed to have ONE OF a) the ROA sticker in a foreign passport OR b) a current (non-expired) British passport at any one time, i.e. you CANNOT hold both simultaneously.
Malaysia won't care until they are 21, but if they find out now they might flag it in their system so they can follow up in the future. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Orangkl, What Sotong said about ROAs is correct. Best course I think:-
1)Renew childrens passports in Malaysia. It is highly probable that Malaysia immigration will let them leave because your husband and you have PR from what you say.
2)Take the childres' UK passports with you but only to use as last precaution to reentre UK. UK Border will question you. They will have your childres' details on their computer. UK should let them in based on your PR condition. Only show UK Passports if all fails. Next time if Malaysian immigration question you you can say your children were let in because of your PRs
Applying for ROAs is a problem because UK passports are for 10 years. You will have to go through a renewal cycle again for the MAS passports in Malaysia, then follow Sotong's suggestion in applying for ROA.
Finally did you register your children with the High Com in London when they were born???
I hope things work out for you. Good luck | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
thanks to Miriboy and sotong suggestion.
Yes we had register the children at High comm London,and apply the Malaysia passport as well, but just not realise the difficulties of renew process, if not I will sure apply the ROA instead of British passport for them to enter into Malaysia.
Because of some urgent circumstances whiich I need the passport to flight back Malaysia and application for british is much more easy and cheaper, the consequence only realise now... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Orangkl, I have been pondering about your situation. You say both your husband have "Leave to Remain" in the UK. According to the Malaysian High Commision site below, your baby should be given a Mas Passport. See line 6, column 4 for new born babies in the high Com site below. Both the "Leave to Remain" in your husband's and your passports should be adequate for the High Com to give your children malaysian passports which they are entitled to. Just something for you to think about and persue.
http://www.jimlondon.net/ppt_apply.html | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orang kl | |
| Miri boys, thanks, yes I hd read the condition and even call ,email to them asking my situation, yes they already apply the MY passport but the problem is renew. They need proof to remain ie ROA or Indifinate leave to remain. I had no choice may get MY passport expire or try a luck renew at Malaysia next year. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | kurisau | |
Hello everyone,
I just noticed this thread today and I find it very helpful to help my friend's situation. However, she (my friend) is facing a problem just a little bit different than the others.
She was born here in Malaysia. Currently residing in Malaysia, is only 20 years old as of 2012, and has a Malaysian mom & a Romanian father. Recently, the Romanian Embassy called her proclaiming that she is classified as an illegal immigrant by the High Court.
From what I know, she has both Romanian & Malaysian passports, even both IDs for each country. Everytime she leaves Malaysia, she uses her Malaysian passport, then enters Romania using Romanian passport, leaves Romania using Romanian passport, enters Malaysia back using Malaysian Passport. I don't know if she has any special stamps on her passports (like the ROA stamp?).
Problem is, she's now sitting for her final exams, and this matter came up. If Malaysia is to take away her Malaysian Nationality, she has to leave Malaysia immediately. She's already planning to take the Romanian Nationality once she's 21, but she isn't 21 yet.
So my question is, is it okay for the Malaysian High Court to strip her off her Malaysian Nationality even though she's not 21 yet? I'm sorry if my information are all jumbled together, if you need further clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Daniyatom | |
| Hi Aust123 and other gurus
I will be getting a foreign citizenship soon so I have some questions regarding your entry/exit plan via a 3rd country like Singapore or Brunei.
1) When I leave say Australia, I would need to leave using the OZ passport
2) And when I enter Sg (or a 3rd country), I would use my Msian passport to enter
3) And when I leave Sg for Msia, I would use my Msian passport to leave
4) And when I leave Msia for Sg, I would use my Msian passport.
5) And when I leave Sg for Australia, I would use my Msian passport but show the airline officials my Australian passport.
I am a little worried about the 5th step. Usually you would check in first, show your passport/visa to the airline officials (whose job is to ensure that you can enter Australia legally) and then clear Sg customs. I am worried that the airline officials might enter information indicating that I am using an Australian passport but when I go through Customs I will use my Malaysian passport. Will this be a problem?
On a separate note, what are the repercussions of travelling entirely on the Australian passport (i.e. leave Australia, enter Malaysia, leave Malaysia and enter Australia)? Will Malaysian customs be able to ID you as a Malaysian and thereby flagging you as a dual citizenship and therefore depriving you of your Malaysian citizenship? I am worried because you will have to confront Malaysian customs in person if you use an OZ passport, the officer will review your passport and if he sees that your are born in say Kedah (assuming that the Australia or foreign passport will show your place of birth), you are screwed.
Chime in please ppl! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Worried mum to be | |
Hi all, I've been reading this thread, and have roughly gathered what is best for my situation, but would still like some advice from fellow forumers here.
I am a Malaysian living in the uk. My husband is British. I am currently pregnant and is thinking of giving birth in Malaysia. From the forum, I gathered that I ought to apply for my child a Malaysian passport with the ROA stamp. And once we are ready to get the British passport, we will stop renewing the ROA.
However, I have also read that the Malaysian government allows a child to hold two countries passports until the age of 21. Is that correct?
Renewing ROA cost a lot of money. The good thing at British passport is that it invalid for10yrs. So by then my kid will be at least 10 yrs old.
I would like to have the best of worlds, at least until my child is old enough to decide what is best for him.
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
Hi all, I've been reading this thread, and have roughly gathered what is best for my situation, but would still like some advice from fellow forumers here.
I am a Malaysian living in the uk. My husband is British. I am currently pregnant and is thinking of giving birth in Malaysia. From the forum, I gathered that I ought to apply for my child a Malaysian passport with the ROA stamp. And once we are ready to get the British passport, we will stop renewing the ROA.
However, I have also read that the Malaysian government allows a child to hold two countries passports until the age of 21. Is that correct?
Renewing ROA cost a lot of money. The good thing at British passport is that it invalid for10yrs. So by then my kid will be at least 10 yrs old.
I would like to have the best of worlds, at least until my child is old enough to decide what is best for him.
Any advice?
Giving birth in Malaysia is an option. If you give birth in the UK register the child with the Hi Com in London. You child will be an automatic BRIT because of the father. When the child is older, go to Malaysia and get an IC Card. They will want to see the HI COM registration certificate. Both my wife and I are Malaysians living here. We have stopped renewing our ROA certs because of the expence. The last on was in 2003. The Hi Com in London only ask to have a photo copy of the ROA in the old passport. When we travel we carry the old passport with the ROA and we go through the UK Immigration counter.... I renewed my MAL passport last week without any problem. The HI COM accepted my OLD ROA as a legal right to live in the UK. ÂŁ160 approximately a throw for an ROA is too much for every 5 years!
I am not sure of having two passports. Having a foreign passport signifies citizenship of that country. Seek advice from the HI COM. They are very helpfull.......now
With the father being a Brit and the child being born in the UK, A Brit Passport will be no problem. As you say the best of both worlds until the child decides. I speak from experience. My daughter was born here. We got her an IC and MAL Passport. She gave up her Mal status when she was eighteen | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Untouristy Brit | |
| Hi Guys and Gals...
I'm still very confused after reading this thread and I really need help with my situation. I would truly appreciate any advise!
I left Malaysia 5 years ago leaving Malaysia with my Malaysian Passport. I then entered the UK with with my British Passport. I've been here for 5 years and now am going back to Malaysia for a fair bit of time (2-3 years) due to a job. Here's the problem: My Malaysian passport has expired.
Upon my return to Malaysia, will I get penalised? how do I avoid all the obvious nasties and how would be the best way to go about it? Truly truly appreciated for any advise! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
Does your expired malaysian passport have "Given leave to enter for an indefinite period" vignette?? If so then produce this at the Hi Com London. As your passport has expired they may only give you a two year renewal. Go back to Malaysia and then renew for a normal 5 yr passport. Your situation is precarious as they may ask you a lot of questions as to why you did not renew before formal expiry. You will need your IC.
Ask the Hi Com in London for advice saying you want to return.
Do not, DO NOT tell them you have a Brit Passport. Realise also that addresses are traceable when you fill in the application form. Lu tiok bo. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Super worry | |
Hi All,
I made the mistake of getting in/out of KLIA with Msia passport and in/out of UK/other countries with British passport for the last few years hence there is no stamps in my Msia passport since 2008. I have been back to KL every year once at least via the autogate. I still have another year on my passport. I just had a baby in UK with a British husband, and the baby have a UK passport.
1. How do I take baby with UK passport back to KL without going through autogate? If i go through manual checks, customs will be suspicious no stamps on passport but record on computer show me in/out every year?
2. I would like to be able to travel with baby without my husband so I can stay in KL longer? Any tips how I can do this? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (for Canadians) (modified 0 times) | Boomyass | |
Hey Sotong,
What you said about "Canadians" must use Cdn passport to return to Canada must've been old info.
I just called Canadian passport office and the guy told me, there is no such law.
As Canada allows dual citizenship, you may carry "the other" passport.
Just make sure you have citizenship card on you to prove that you're a citizen.
Thats all you need.
-B | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | thePaper | |
| My kids have dual nationality. They were born in Malaysia and leave in Holland. The question is, recently we enter MAL with their dutch passport. They also have MAL pasports. Under some circumstances, we need to stay in MAL for more than 3 months. The return tickets were not valid anymore. If i extend their visas by going to Singapore, would the immigration officers ask for return ticket when we get into MAL? is there any suggestions? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Jack the BC Ryan | |
| My experience. I got Canadian citizenship in 2006. Always renewed my Msian passport in Msia so retained by Msian citizenship. Avoided flying back into Msia direct from abroad in case they ask questions where I had been. Then one year found I had less than six months left of Msian passport so couldnt fly to Spore and then enter through JB which was my usual route. So flew straight into Penang from Hong Kong. At the auto barrier the barrier wouldnt let me in. Didnt want to go through an officer. But the officer saw I was stuck at the barrier and directed me towards an officer. So no choice went through the officer. Perhaps the barrier detected I was gone from Msia for something like 2.5 years and wouldnt let me in. The officer didnt bother to analyse the passport. Just stamped it and I was in. PHEW. Important note when flying into Msia. Choose a laid back city like Penang if you are flying in direct. Penang Forever! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Jack the BC Ryan | |
| Boomyas,
Sotong got a point. It's not the immigration of Canada that will stop you from entering the country, it's the airline that you fly with that's entering Canada that will stop you from boarding. Happened to me. I have entered Canada several times with a Malaysian passport and citizenship card but those airlines were not Air Canada. JAL accepted my citizenship card and let me board the plane for Vancouver at Hong Kong. However when I flew with Air Canada, they rejected the citizenship card and did not allow me to board. They said this was instruction from Immigration Canada. So Air Canada got me on the phone with a Canadian embassy officer who gave me an impromptu interview. When I got my citizenship, What date? How long it took me to apply? Where was the ceremony held. How many area codes does my town in Canada have and what are they? And Air Canada faxed to the embassy officer a photo of me. Finaly got to board because the officer verified my identity. His explanation why airlines are instructed not to accept citizenship card as proof is those cards are flimsy and can be counterfeited easily. So the immigration officer at the Canadian border will accept the card because they can verify who you are via their pc and you are standing right in front of him but the airline won't let you board with the citizenship card. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Bodok | |
| Why these Citizenship Card flimsy and easily counterfeited???!!!! Third world country issued ka?? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
| Orang Bodok,
My guess is the costs involved in issuing a card with security features outweigh the benefits. Most Canadians do not have a citizenship card because they can proof their citizenship using a Canadian birth certificate. In most cases, only naturalized Canadians will have a citizenship card. Information on the citizenship card can be verified using government systems in Canada, so in the majority of cases having reliable security on the card is not necessary. The card was never designed to be used for travel.
Once you have had a Canadian passport, you will likely never need to use the citizenship card to proof Canadian citizenship when applying for government services again as you can use your passport as proof of citizenship.
As an aside, the Permanent Resident Card is a secure and reliable status document for permanent residents and is designed for travel. The Canada Border Services Agency recommends that:
- Canadians travel with a valid Canadian passport
- Permanent Residents of Canada travel with a valid Permanent Resident Card
In the absence of the recommended documents, airlines will usually deny boarding unless the passport of your second nationality is visa-exempt. If so, once at a Canadian PoE you can use other documents to establish your permanent residency or citizenship status. Unfortunately, Malaysians are not visa-exempt and require a visa to travel to Canada so this does not usually work for Malaysians.
CIC's OP 11 manual states:
"Issuance of a facilitation visa is not to be done merely for the convenience of the client, but in
cases where not facilitating their travel would result in undue hardship (usually created through no
fault of the client). In addition, it is not the policy of CIC to assist persons who wish to 'hide' the
fact of their Canadian citizenship from a foreign government that does not permit dual citizenship.
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Dual nationals who are required to use their foreign passport for entry to/exit from their country of
second citizenship can show their Canadian passport to airline officials to facilitate the boarding of
a flight to Canada." | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Bodok | |
Sotong,
You stated the Canadian position very eloquently. Malaysia has a lot to learn. However, I can also understand some of the reasoning behind Malaysia's dual nationality laws. I really feel for the Malaysian diaspora. Laws have to be broken for ease of travel and livelyhood because opportunities are not forthcoming at home. Any goverment process should be adequate and transparent enough to all to facilitate ease of travel for all its citizens without encounting inherent prejudices.
I was being facetious in my reply; my point being: why produce a card for identification that is flimsy and counterfeitable. I am a Brit and Malaysian by birth. Bapa Malaysia gave me that right... Straits Settlements 1948. I now wish to become a Canadian Cit, by obtaining a counterfeit card... facetious again! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pening | |
It has always been a nightmare when it comes to "Dual citizenship" being a Malaysian.
My mrs and I (both Malaysian) hold an Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK and less than 2 months ago we had a baby boy; Master Oscar. By default he's a Brit, and obvioulsy it's a straight forward thingy for him.
We all know it would be best to hold dual passports especially with the British one as it's really handy when it comes to travelling and the to be able to work in the EU countries without any visas restriction!
Still we want him to hold a Malaysian passport so that he has an alternative option to fall back to his country. We never know what's gonna happen in 20 years time, as we have to admit that the Asia side is picking up fast! The headache bit now is; whether to have him on
the Right of Abode (ROA) ÂŁ165 or the ILR about RM4213 (if apply in M'sia) or ÂŁ991 to apply via post in the UK.
What's the best option in this case?
After reading most of this forum, I am still abit lost about:
1. Is there an expiry date for the ROA, some said it follows your passport expiry date. eg. our Malaysia passport expired every 5 years, does this means we have to keep transferring the ROA cert every 5 years.
2. As for ILR, we have a window of 2 years to be away from the UK (continuously) otherwise UK HomeOffice has the right to void it. But what about ROA? eg. will it be cancelled said if my boy live in Malaysia for 5-10 years in a row?
3. What if my boy apply a British Passport in near future at the age of 10 - 15 yr old, will UK Home Office still recognise and allow him to enter to the UK with his existing Right to Aboard stamp on his Malaysia passport?
4. Said, if I have him on the ILR at this stage <1 year old at some point he'll definitely need to update his photo or to obtain the biometric card (you don't need a biometric card if you're <6 yr old)
** you can't be travelling with your ILR with a baby look at the age of 16, 18 can you?**
Is there any information of this?
can someone shed me some light? Much appreciated! Terima kasih! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Penang | |
| First of all, congrats on your your baby.
I say:
1. There is no expiry date for the ROA as such but the Certificate of Entitlement to ROA which is attached to the passport expires when the passport expires. You can no longer "transfer" the ROA cert to a new passport. You have to make a fresh appliation for ROA and pay a fee to UKBA to have a new ROA cert to be attached to the new passport.
2. The ROA itself cannot be cancelled. It is his birth right but please see above. The ROA cert on his passport will expires on the expiry of his passport and a fresh application has to be made to UKBA if he wants a ROA cert on the new passport.
3. If you son applies for a British Passport in future, UK Home Office will still recognise and allow him to enter to the UK with a ROA cert on his Malaysia passport but please note when this Malaysian passport expires, he can no longer apply for a fresh ROA cert on his new Malaysian passport. This is because he now has a UK passport.
4. If you have him on the ILR at this stage, he will of course have to renew his Malaysian passport every 5 years which means the new passport(s) will contain his updated photo(s). So, I don't see a problem there. His biometric card will have an expiry date on it. The card will have to be renewed when it expires provided he does not have a UK pasport at the time.
I hope the above answers your queries. BTW, in case you may not know, a ROA cert will entitle your son to go throught the UK/EU channel at the UK Border. He will be free of UK immigration restrictions i.e. he does not require permission from the UK Immigraton Offier to enter UK. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Chang | |
| Dear Penang,
I'm actually planning to do what you just mentioned. To get the ILR for my newborn and just renew the MAL passport every 5 years. The UK passport will just be kept and not used.
You said the biometric needs to be renewed and cannot be issued once he got the UK passport. So what happens next and how will it affects his Msia and UK passport and his travel into UK | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | jambu | |
| hello all, good post. A quick question that I need your advice please....
I'm a holder of both MY and Brit passport, I'm thinking of renewing MY passport in High Comm london. Is it safe to do so?
I just realise that there is a form called 'confirmation of non-british passport' in MY passport application website, will they ask us to fill this?
Many thanks all. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pinang | |
| Hi Penang,
Thanks for the tips and now it looks like it's all locked down now where there's no way of quietly having dual passport.
Me myself are planning to apply for a British Passport quietly as I'm still holding the ILR stamped on my M'sia passport so at least I don't have to renew it as of the Biometric card.
But looks like for Baby Oscar, it'll be down to only one option. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | ZamZam | |
| Hi guys,
I've now obtained my British passport and will be renewing my MAL passport when I return home next year. Here's my question:
1. When I return back to London, can I use my new MAL passport (instead of my British passport) to enter UK? The reason is so that I will have an 'entry stamp' on my passport while showing my PR sticker on my old passport?
2. Will Heathrow immigration know immediately that I'm also a British passport holder?
3. Regarding traveling to a 3rd country (i.e Brunei or Singapore) before flying back to the UK, doesn't the airport check-in in Malaysia would also want to see a return ticket? Wouldn't they will be asking 'why do you only have a one way ticket to Brunei / Singapore'?
Thanks guys. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
| jambu,
RE: "I just realise that there is a form called 'confirmation of non-british passport' in MY passport application website, will they ask us to fill this?"
You will have to complete this form if you cannot show proof of Leave to Remain in the UK, such as a CoE-RoA, ILR endorsement or other visa. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
I have not applied for a ROA Cert. They cost ÂŁ169 now, over RM500 each time. Once apon a time they only charged for the first one. Proof is now needed with each new application, and I cannot be bothered to send the documents to Liverpool. I just carry the old MY Passport with the ROA in it. 'Leave to remain' vignettes are also not tranferable. I have a doctor friend who has the same problem, but renews his MY passport in Miri.
I need to to renew my MY passport July 2012 in London. ROA Certs are only valid if the passport is current. My present MY passport does not have a ROA Cert. Will be interesting to note what the MY High Com will say to me.
If you get a Brit Passport you cannot apply for a ROA Cert. I do not intend to apply for a new ROA cert, but carry my old passport and then argue with the immi officer that I have already met the criteria of having PR in UK.
Hi the above is a quote from an earlier contribution. I'd like to share my passport renewal in London and my travel experience,
As quoted, I renewed my MY passport at the Hi Com in London in July. Had to show my ROA cert in my 2003 passport as proof of right of abode in UK. Just come back from KL after also going to SIN for a few days carrying my new passport plus the latest one with the ROA.
When I got back to UK yesterday I went via the UK queue, and was let through. The officer said that the ROA Cert was proof of my UK immigration status. She just machine read the BAR CODE in my new passport. The BAR CODE was also read by the Malaysian and Singapore authorities. The only stamps I have in my new MY passport are the Singapore Entry/Exit stamps. In my future travels, I shall continue to carry this old ROA Passport plus any current MY passport. I do not intend to apply for another ROA for any of my renewed MY passports.
I hope this experience will be of use to others in similar situations. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Regarding traveling to a 3rd country (i.e Brunei or Singapore) before flying back to the UK, doesn't the airport check-in in Malaysia would also want to see a return ticket, say if you're flying one-way from Miri to Singapore? Wouldn't they will be asking 'why do you only have a one way ticket to Singapore'?
What about when I return back to London, can I use my new MAL passport that I have renewed in Malaysia(instead of my British passport) to enter UK? The reason is so that I will have an 'entry stamp' on my passport while showing my PR sticker on my old passport?
Many thanks. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
"Hi Miri Boy,
Regarding traveling to a 3rd country (i.e Brunei or Singapore) before flying back to the UK, doesn't the airport check-in in Malaysia would also want to see a return ticket, say if you're flying one-way from Miri to Singapore? Wouldn't they will be asking 'why do you only have a one way ticket to Singapore'?
What about when I return back to London, can I use my new MAL passport that I have renewed in Malaysia(instead of my British passport) to enter UK? The reason is so that I will have an 'entry stamp' on my passport while showing my PR sticker on my old passport?
Many thanks."
Hello Zam Zam ref your quote above. I used Emirates, so I returned KUL/Dubai/LHR. MAL exit immigration just read the BAR CODE on my MAL passport.
Your question regarding third country....The Mal officer did not ask me if I had a return ticket on Firefly to SIN when I visited, nor did they ask to see my air ticket to Dubai, only my boarding pass and read the BAR Code on my Mal Passport each time.
Exit Malaysia with your new MAL passport. If the Immigration Officer asks, the show him your old passport with the PR Sticker. At Heathrow ot Gatwick use the UK queue and show both MAL Passports to the officer. He/she will NOT STAMP your Mal passport. Only the BAR Code wiil be machine read.
As I said, the only stamps I have on my new MAL Passport are the SIN entry and exit stamps. The SIN Immigration officer also machine read the BAR CODE.
DO NOT use a foreign passport when entering or exiting Malaysia because of the finger printing. I have a Miri friend who only uses his Mal Passport with an old passport showing his UK Immi status. He has a Brit Passport as well, but he always uses his MAL passport for travelling to and from Malaysia....never entering the UK from Malaysia using his Brit Passport.
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Thanks for your valuable reply. But still a little confuse though...
'Hello Zam Zam ref your quote above. I used Emirates, so I returned KUL/Dubai/LHR. MAL exit immigration just read the BAR CODE on my MAL passport.'
You said you travelled returned KUL/Dubai/LHR...I presumed it's a typo and it's actually SIN/Dubai/LHR right? If not why would you take FireFly from Miri to Singapore in the first place! :-p
If that's the case, is it correct for me to do the following:
Exit KCH - use MAL passport
Enter SIN - use MAL passport
Leave arrival hall and head to departure hall in Changi to check in for my SIN/Dubai/LHR flight. Show my Brit passport at check-in counter.
Exit SIN - use MAL passport.
Enter UK - use Brit passport? Or still use MAL passports (with old one with PR sticker?)
Here's another confusing part.....How is it possible you are able to queue on the UK line upon landed either in Heathrow or Gatwick? Did you produce your Brit passport to the UK immigration but at the same time showing your MAL passports?
Or you actually only intended to show your MAL passports to be Bar Scanned? I can't see how this is possible because all foreign passports whether they have a PR sticker or not MUST queue on the 'others' passport line and fill in a landing card. I never know that UK immigration can bar scanned your passport without the need to stamp on arrival. This will be something new to me for travelling in and out of the UK for s many years.
Thanks again for your great help. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| "You said you travelled returned KUL/Dubai/LHR...I presumed it's a typo and it's actually SIN/Dubai/LHR right? If not why would you take FireFly from Miri to Singapore in the first place!"
No Zam Zam NOT a typo error. My trip back to UK was KUL/Dubai/LHR. I have an ROA Cert in my old passport as said. My new MAL Passport was done at the Hi Com in London in July this year. On previous travels to MAL I was once told by the Immi officer that I was entittled to use the UK queue with the ROA cert. I have done this ever since. As I said I have no intention of reapplying for a ROA Cert at Liverpool. Too expensive. Just continue to present my old MAL passport with the old ROA Cert. I could not show a British Passport as I did not have one!!
My visit to SIN was a private one whilst in Malaysia. I travelled from IPOH to SIN and returned to Ipoh via Firefly. I had to use a taxi from Ipoh to KUL to catch the Emarites flight back to LHR. No Ipoh/KUL flights lah.
From your responses I presume that you have a PR vignette in your old MAL passport and therefore you UK Immigration status is secure on yopur MAl passports. In your place I would:-
Exit KUL using my MAL passport. If the immi officer questions, show my PR sticker. Enter LHR using the foreign queue, showing your both your passports to the UK officer. They will machine read your new MAL passport. Keep your UK Passport to show as a last resort.
Your route back to the UK appears to be from SIN. I would use MAL passports all the way. Your new MAL passport BAR CODE will be machine read. My neice came back to Gatwick last Monday via Hanoi on Vietnam Airways presenting two passports, at immigration, the old one with her PR vignette. She is now back at work. She has no BRIT Passport
I read somewhere that Immigration officers used to stamp a passport with a V.I.P.P. stamp meaning "Visa in previous passport", but I cannot verify as I have had no need for this procedure.
Have a good flight back and share your experience here. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Thanks for the clarification, Miri Boy!
Yes I do have my PR vignette in my current passport. I will apply a new MAL passport when I'm back next year. Will indeed continue to share my experience with everyone. Good luck to all. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Keep your current MAL "PR" passport like your nugget of gold. Applying to transfer the vignette to an new passport at Croyden is very expensive. In anycase if you acquire Brit citizenship you will not be able to transfer the vignette to a new passport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | tze chien | |
i am malaysian,baby born in thai,currently apply temporary 3 month malaysia passport and 5 year thailand passport,question,
if i back to malaysia,can i showing passport thai when in thai airport and showing malaysia passport when in malaysia airport? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | jack - uk | |
| hi,After reading this thread, I am really concern about my situation.
I am living uk and is currently holding both british and M'sia passport, and i.m renew my m.sia passport in London 4 year ago which is (blank) no stamp, and have old m,sia passport with ROA with it.
my question is:
1) my passport is due to renew on sept 2013 and i have to renew my ic too ( ic with no chip).i been back to msia using british passport 6 month ago, when enter their correct my finger printed.which method should i use to enter m,sia.
Depart uk-uk Passport via transfer in Dubai
Enter Singapore - M'sia Passport
Exit Singapore and Enter M'sia (johor )- M'sia Passport. and by bus back to KL
Exit M'sia in KLIA and transfer in Dubai - M'sia Passport(renew) and show them my old passport with ROA
Enter uk - uk Passport
should i exit M,sia use third country here not in KLIA, which travel back to Singapore and back to uk?
should i bring my british passport with me just in case their find out in their system which i enter m.sia which british passport?
or
Depart uk - uk Passport via transfer in Dubai
Enter M.sia in KLIA - M.sia Passport
Exit M,sia in KLIA - M,sia Passport(renew) and show them my old passport with ROA.
which way is correct and go through Malaysia without been 'found-out'? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Jack-UK,
After reading this thread, I believe this is how you should do:
Exit UK - British passport
Enter Singapore - British passport
Exit Singapore - British passport
Enter Msia - Msia passport
But can someone clarify whether Msia immigration will query where is the Singapore entry stamp on the Msia passport if someone just came out from Singapore?
I still believe you should also get an entry stamp from Singapore for your British passport, or else UK immigration might query why didn't you have an entry stamp of your destination country when you left for Singapore. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pantat Itam Brit | |
| I have two passports Malaysian and UK. UK allow dual nationality. UK Immigration never query as long as you can show ROA or Indefinite Leave to Remain. I only use my Malaysian passport when I go to Malaysia, Singapore etc. I carry my old ROA Passport with me. My old Malaysian Passport has no immigration stamps. In/out Malaysia I use auto gate. Back to UK I show Old ROA passport.
Jack-UK you have have ROA Malaysian Passport. So no problem UK side. Malaysian govt know you are not ilegal in UK. Your problem is your chap tangan lah.
I would renew my Malaysian passport at the Hi Com in London. They can back date your passport. Better you find problem here and not in Malaysia. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Maussie | |
| I think most of the information posted on this forum missed an important point. When you leave Malaysia for an extended period using your Malaysian passport, a Malaysian immigration officer can always check the length of stay outside of the country. If you cannot provide any evidence of legal abode outside of Malaysia, you'll only raise suspicions of holding dual nationalities.
Following the logic above, the purpoted Singapore / Brunei loopholes will not work for those holding foreign passports. It does not matter where you depart to or arrive from.
Although I cannot verify this, I was informed by a Malaysian immigration officer that the system that they are using also contains an "Other Passport" field. If this field has a value, then it's pretty hard to get away with it.
One final point. If you fail to register yourself with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for 5 consecutive years overseas, you can loose your Malaysian citizenship (see http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,IRBC,,MYS,47d6546928,0.html). Apparently, this does not account for whether that will leave you stateless or not.
What I'd like to know are the other consequences of registering oneself with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Sarawakian | |
| Maussie. In reality you are correct. Let me take your paragraphs point by point. I can only speak for the UK.
1) A “Right of Abode” cert or “Indefinite Leave to Remain” in an old passport will suffice as proof that you have unrestricted abode. I have an ROA in an old passport. When returning to the UK, showing the old passport to the Immigration office is adequate for re-entry. Also applies to ILR vignettes.
2) You are right. Coming in via Brunei/Singapore to Semananjong Malaysia makes no difference. I do not exit or enter UK with my UK passport if I am going to Malaysia. I only carry my Malaysian Passport. I show my old passport ROA on entry.
3) I am a Sarawakian. The East Malaysian States do not care for the stupid Nationality Laws of Malaysia. Many of our leaders’s children and, I dare say, even west Malaysia ones have children who are dual nationality. Dr. Chan’s and Taib’s children are Aussies and Malaysians!!. If a West Malaysian immigration official causes a problem, I will travel to Sarawak on my IC and get back my Malaysian passport there. I keep a photostat copy of my current passport so that the Kuching officer can insert the "previously travelled passport data" in the new passport. No questions asked.
4) Registering overseas… Only did it once as a student at the Hi Com in London. Never again. If I gave my permanent address in the UK it could be a subject of investigation by jealous bumi madonnas in London, who have no scruples. Yes the government can revoke my Malaysian Citizenship if they find out I have a foreign passport or I do not register. I do not care. I am a Sarawak Citizen first. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Maussie | |
| @ Sarawakian:
You raised some interesting points. Let me address those as well.
Points 1) and 2) your "Right of Abode" / "Indefinite Leave to Remain" document is actually good evidence that you can reside abroad legally. However, once you become a citizen of the UK (and subsequently issued a UK passport), that ROA document technically is no longer valid. If the UK government does not physically invalidate that document (i.e. puts a stamp or something), then you could probably still get away with it by masquerading as a PR of UK, and not a citizen. However, this does not stop Malaysian immigration authorities from finding out through their system whether you hold another foreign passport.
Point 3) I'm also a Sarawakian, but I'm not confident that our Sarawakian immigration standard operating procedures differ from our Semenanjung counterpart when it comes to enforcing nationality laws. The law is pretty clear on not allowing dual nationality and this is enforced in the Federal level, not State. The reason why big shots can get away with dual nationalities is that there is double standard in enforcing the law. Abuses are not only limited to having dual nationality, but expands to hiring illegal immigrants. Also, unless you can enter Sarawak by bypassing West Malaysia (maybe taking Royal Brunei from London to Bandar Seri Begawan), I do not think you can even travel domestically via KL if you're stopped at immigration. You may try your luck in reapplying / renewing your passport in Kuching, although I doubt that any action taken by the immigration officers in KL will not be reflected in the immigration system in Simpang Tiga.
In summary, I think the best long-term outcome would be to lobby for an amendment to our nationality laws to allow multiple citizenships. The economic benefits of this massively outweigh concerns about "loyalty". (i.e. property taxes, retaining your funds in EPF, overseas remittances, etc.) | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Sarawakian | |
Maussie In response:-
The sad thing about our country is its corruption and abuses. But then, every country does it, the most coming from hypocritical pontificating countries of this planet.
Himmm, I can assure you that KL and Simping Tiga can quickly solve conflicts when sat upon from on high. I have not had the experience, but I have a mutual kawan who upon refusal of a passport in London, contacted her “Highs” in Kuching. Within a week her passport was renewed. She did not tell them she was related to……….!!!!!!. Many angry Keldais in the Hi Com.
The Malaysian Diaspora is mainly in European Commonwealth countries plus US. Many Malaysians whose allegiance is to our homeland, had to acquire foreign passports (not the nationality that comes with it) to survive. I read somewhere in this forum, a suggestion that we could have selective acquired dual nationality with conditions, mainly with the European Commonwealth countries, i.e. GB, AU, NZ and CA.I accept that it cannot be open ended. This will ease the burden of having to break our laws. We have VISA rules for our advantage, why not nationality rules?
Totally agree with your summary. It’s a pipe dream of mine, but as I do not indulge in opium, it will never happen. I will continue to masquerade as a PR of UK, in the full knowledge that I am breaking Federal Malaysian Law……. to survive. If found out, I may have to invoke some “highs” to rescue me
It’s been truly interesting having these exchanges with you. I hope it gives others an insight to the trials and tribulations we have to put up with. Judging from your Nom de plume, I presume you are a MY AU??? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Felic | |
| Hi everyone. I have been reading this thread for the past couple of days carefully reading the processes that each and everyone here been through. I was born in the UK before 1983 and have had ROA stamp on my passport that expires more than 10 years ago, I am a Malaysian citizen and have been living mostly in Malaysia since I left the UK in 1996. I had been contemplating getting a UK passport even when I was living there in the 90's (even now still thinking about it) but never did and I don't want to take the risk of having my Malaysian citizenship stripped. i will be visiting the UK on 8 Feb and re-consider the options between a UK passport and an ROA. ROA is the safest route but oh-my-so-expensive and now a hassle as the British High Commision doesn't do these things anymore. They have outsourced this to Visa4UK and the provess takes and I quote "between 5 to 15 days". The processing is done in Manila and they will then courier back my passport with the ROA sticker. Since my travel is in less than 15 days time, I decided not to pursue the ROA now but later when I return from my trip. But the thought of going through the long queues at tthe non-British channel at Heathrow just doesn't appeal to me when I used to be able to breeze through the Brit lane.
So, will bringing my old expired MY passport with the ROA along work? Should I bring along my birth cert too? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Yes carry your old Passport with the ROA in it plus as a safe guard your birth cert. Make sure you have photostat copies of your birth cert.
You have a choice of queues. I use the UK queue and show my old 2008 MAS Passport with ROA. Did this last October with no problems. The foreign queue not as long as it used to be. Make sure you fill in the disembarkation card to show some ignorance.
Renewing an ROA is not free (ÂŁ169) every 4.5 years. I have not bothered to get a renewal
Born before 1983 in the UK gives you have an automatic right to Brit Cit anyway. Check out site below
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/ | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Responding to Maussie: However, this does not stop Malaysian immigration authorities from finding out through their system whether you hold another foreign passport.
I've spoken to a friend who has enquired from the Home Office and said yes years ago the Msian immigration authority can easily find out if Mr. Samseng has obtained a Brit passport or not. But not anymore because of DATA PROTECTION! The UK has one of the strictist data protection law and will not simply give out any information without our consent or valid reasons (i.e terrorism act, etc). So no Msian immigration cannot obtain such information anymore without going through all the red tapes and hassle.
But regarding using the Msian passport with ROA / ILF visa to masuk UK eventhough you already a Brit passport, I'm going to try that later this year when I masuk balik UK. The reason is I would still prefer to have the entry stamps on my renewed Msian passport just in case if I ever get querried by the Msian authority about my movement into UK. Has anyone ever used their renewed Msian passport with valid ROA / ILD visa to come back to UK without a problem eventhough you have a Brit passport? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Zam Zam I have. Last October. Joined the UK queue T3. Showed both the current Malaysian Passport issued by Hi Com London in July, and my Old 2002 Malaysian Passport with ROA. The Girl only machine read the barcode of my new Malaysian passport. The UK immigration have never "exit/enter" stamped my Malaysian passports. With your ROA or ILR certs, the Malaysian authorities know that you have UK PR.
Finally, with ROA you can go to the UK queue. With an ILR you have to use the foreign queue. Here I am not sure what the immigration officer will put on an ILR passport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Miri Boy,
With my renewed Msia passport, they might just stamp the V.I.P.P. (Visa in previous passport)and just BAR CODE read too instead of having an entry stamp. I think I read it somewhere in this thread. But I'll just happily queue in the 'Other Passports' line!
Just wondering will their system know that I also have a Brit passport? Will that create a problem and questioned why didn't I use my Brit passport to enter the UK??? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Donny | |
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| Sarawakian,
On 23 Jan 2013, you wrote:
I read somewhere in this forum, a suggestion that we could have selective acquired dual nationality with conditions, mainly with the European Commonwealth countries, i.e. GB, AU, NZ and CA.I accept that it cannot be open ended.
Can you point me to the discussion. I am interested in reading the discussion. How does one acquire dual nationality with conditions? What are the condition?
Replies from anyone would be appreciated.
Thanks. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Sorry, no idea if the system will know. Britain allows dual nationality, so I think it will not be an issue | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Felic | |
| MiriNoy, thank you for your response.
I will bring my old passport with ROA and birth cert just in case. Will share my experience next month. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Sarawakian | |
| Donny, you have to troll this forum.
My point is granting Malaysians dual nationality who meet citizenship requirements in certain countries. They are barred from taking it up for convenience because of Malaysia law.
Malaysia cannot allow open dual nationality, but it could be selective with conditions.
Nowadays Malaysians that can get foreign citizenships are diminishing exponentially. They must meet employment and residential criteria, apart from birthright. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | damado | |
| I've got dual citizenship Malaysia/Australia. Is it possible When I return to Malaysia from Australia, use my Australian to exit, and enter with my Malaysian passport through autogate? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Donny | |
| Sarawakian,
Thank you for your reply.
Donny. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | JDNJ | |
| Hello guys,
I am planning to renew my passport in the Malaysia Consulate in Canada next month and Canadian passport in a year. There are documents that are required for the submission. For instance, photocopy of my PR card of Canada, etc.
I am wondering ... would there be any problems five years later if I had to renew my Malaysia passport in Malaysia especially they have my PR records?
Any information would help
Thanks | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Hi guys,
I wanted to share with you of my recent trip back to MY. I have recently obtained a British passport and still retaining my MY passport. When I was in Heathrow, I met with an immigration officer while he was having his lunch break. I politely spoke to him and ask for his advice. I told him that I hold dual citizenship and asked him if I can still enter the UK using my MY passport for reason that I wanted the UK entry stamps to be continually stamped on my MY passport. He said it is not a problem as my ILR visa is still valid eventhough I now hold a British passport. As long as I've not been out of the UK for more than 2 years, my ILR visa is still valid on my visa. Another word, if you have obtained a British passport, your ILR visa is not automatically cancelled!
When I recently went back to MY, I didn't use a 3rd country, instead I flew in direct to KLIA. I used the Autogate upon arrival and it was fine for me to enter. Then when I exited KLIA, I queue for the immigration officer and again I was ok to leave MY. When I arrived in Heathrow, I continued to queue on the non-EU line and presented my MY passport and it was fine as well for me to enter the UK. I did have my British passport with me just in case if I needed to present to the UK immigration officer, but it was not needed. The reason of having those UK entry stamps is so not to raise any suspicions with the MY authority if I needed to renew my passport in the future. At least that shows my MY passport is still 'actively' used.
So as a rule, when you travel to MY, use your MY passport all the way to KL and use it back as well when you enter UK. It will be fine. Use your British passport for any other travels.
Hope this helps. ~INI KALI LAH!~ | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Zam Zam, thks for sharing. Issues:-
The MY high Com in UK will renew your MY passport if you have an ILR vignette or a ROA cert in an old passport. Vignetts need to be transferred for a fee for vadility to a new MY passport for UK immigration requirements. ROAs are recognised as proof of abode by MY and UK in expired MY passports. I have not bothered to apply for a new ROA as I have many ROAs in old MY passports!!!!
ROA MY passport holders can join the UK queue. I always do this. The IMMI officer just machine reads my MY passport. The only IMMI stamps I have on my MY passport are between SIN, KCH, MMY, and KUL. I am a Sarawakian, but I purposely use my MY passport between Siminanjong and Timur Malaysia to get immi stamps.
So, if I were you I would apply for a once off ROA cert for my current MY passport, and hang on to this for dear life for MY renewals at the MY High Com in London. They recognise Old MY passport ROAs as proof of ligitimate stay in the UK.
Once again. thks for sharing. Your experience is a help to Malaysians who do not want to give up their MY citizenship. My worldwide travelling days are over. Then it was easy to travel with a MY passport. Now I gather that it is so inconvenient with a MY passport. Today for UK/US/EU etc travel convenience,I would break Malaysia's dual nationality laws and get a foreign passport if I could. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Sorry Zam Zam. I have just reread previous offerings and realise that you have a Brit Passport. I am not sure once your MY passport expires if you can apply for a ILR cert for your new MY passport as you now are a official UK Cit. MY Hi Com will only renew if you can show proof of abode in the UK. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Zam Zam | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
I will continue to renew my MY passport in Malaysia and will try to avoid the MY High Com in London if I can.
I can still enter the UK with a renew MY passport as long as I carry my old passport with the ILR Vignette. No need to transfer the vignette to a new passport, can save money bah! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Hey Zam Zam "Bah" is Sabahan lingo lah. Betul juga lah,kamu memang mau simpan kita punya wang man. Apa kenar mau bayar wang kalu tausa bayar. Sekian Berita | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | jamban | |
| About using MY passports with ROA/ILR through Heathrow:
If you use the UK/EU line, which you are entitled to do, you will most likely not be stamped. I haven't had any UK entry/exit stamps on my MY passport from the past 5+ years of travel to and from Malaysia.
If/when questioned in Malaysia, just say that they don't stamp when you have ROA/ILR. Shouldn't be a big deal seeing as the autogates in KLIA don't stamp. The presence of the ROA/ILR is more than enough to deflect away any suspicions.
Also, about travel, from reading the entire thread (as well as several others) I think it's pretty clear that:
(a) Always enter/exit malaysia with the MY passport
(b) Always enter/exit the 3rd country (Singapore/Brunei) FROM/TO MALAYSIA with the MY passport
(c) It doesn't seem to matter whether you use your MY passport between e.g UK/AUS and the 3rd country or your other passport (switching during the flight). Only thing is, if you happen to use your other passport in this portion of the trip, you should make sure you DO NOT bring that passport into Malaysia, i.e. leave it in the 3rd country if you happen to have it with you or post it back to someone in e.g UK/AUS.
Now for my questions:
1. (Mainly for Zam Zam) Does the method by which you apply for a British passport make a difference in the 'safety' (i.e. secrecy) of the process? Methods as in applying through NCS vs agents vs individual.
2. Has anyone tried Thailand as the '3rd country' besides Singapore and Brunei? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | jamban | |
| Oh yea, a slight addition to part (c):
(c - ii) While your ROA/ILR/PR is still valid, I'd say just leave your other passport in e.g. UK/AUS and travel on the MY passport to Malaysia. In fact, for as long as possible (i.e. 1 passport generation after the ROA/ILR/PR containing passport has expired) you should travel to Malaysia ONLY on the MY passport. After considering all the options that seems to be by far the safest bet. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Tong Tahi | |
| Aku ada dua paspot. Kalu I balek kampong, I pakai Paspot numbor satu (Tanah Malayu paspot). Kalu jalan lian negari, I pakai paspot numbor dua. Ini macham superman never kena tangkup | |
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