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 | Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | cintapants | |
Hi everyone - I've noticed that this has been touched on a few times in the forums, but with no real result.
I gather that many others have experience of this - so would be very grateful if you could share your experiences.
- I am a Malaysian citizen that was born in the UK - Malaysia does not recognise Dual Nationality
- Back in 1992 when I returned to the country, I was given the CoE-Right to Abode
- I became resident in this country, but returning to Malaysia frequently enough never to raise suspicion
- Over time, my career required a significant amount of EU and US travel - and the Malaysian passport caused real issues with my frequent travel in and out of the non-UK countries
- I decided to take-up the option to get a British Passport in 2004 to get over this. I also renewed my Malaysian passport in 2004 - which has been a dream, because this gave me almost border-less travel around the world on my British passport and Asia on my Malaysian one. Malaysia assumes that I have ROA as per my passport, so no questions asked about entry stamps and length of time spent in the UK
... UNTIL NOW...
- I renewed my Malaysian passport this month in London and need to transfer my ROA from one passport to another
- But as per the British rule change in 2006, I am now no longer allowed to have a CoE of Right to Abode in my Malaysian passport, because I also have a British one - PROBLEMO!
- The next time I go back to Malaysia (which is an annual event), they will notice that I have no ROA stamp in my passport. This will ultimately raise suspicions about dual nationality and I will be faced with the horror of having to CHOOSE one nationality over the other.
- I do not want to give up my Malaysian citizenship. I don't want my cultural identity wrenched away from me. Moreover, I am an East Malaysian - which means that I can travel to and from Malaysian Borneo without ANY restriction - a real luxury as even Peninsula Malaysians are only granted a 3-month leave to remain in Sabah/Sarawak
- My folks live in Malaysia - I want to be able to see them often and stay in my 'motherland'
- My career still means I travel a lot within the EU and USA, I don't want to have to queue at embassies (let alone being singled out at US immigration because of my Malaysian passport (which has happened about 6 times now) everytime I need to go away for a meeting in New York.
- In the future, I may want to return to East Malaysia - and should I have children, I want them to have the choice of being Malaysian or British too
Can anyone offer any advice????
(1) How can I retain both?
(2) How can I come and go through Malaysia without been 'found-out'?
Ie - How can I have my cake and eat it? LOL
Thanks so much in advance! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Halloween | |
| any penalty if holding dual nationality? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sarawakian | |
Simply staple both the old and new Malaysian passports together. Malaysia Immigration wouldn't ask you why your ROA hasn't been transfered
to the new one. When you enter UK show your British passport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Troika | |
| I was told that a child born outside Malaysia with a Malaysian father, will need to choose if he will be a Malaysian at the age of consent (18 I think). The child should be registered before the age of 1 and have a borang W. Malaysia does not recognise dual-citizenships. Until the age of consent, they're in some sort of quasi-dual citizenship status. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | julie1 | |
| Please let me know if there is any further information relating to this, as I am also in the same situation and visiting Malaysia next year on a Malaysian passport with no ROA! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | alex | |
| you don't need to need to transfer the Right of Abode sticker into your new Malaysian passport, everytime you travel you just need to take all the passports from the last passport with the sticker in to your most recent one (I know some of my friends carry 3-4 passports around with them).
When you do travel to Malaysia make sure you leave the British passport in Britain and travel back using your Malaysian passportS (emphasising on the multiple of passports as mentioned above), you will be able to return to the UK with no problem since you can present an indefinite leave to remain sticker in one of your previous Malaysian passports | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Tommy of Melbourne | |
| What Alex suggested was perfect. Another alternative way is by travelling into/out of Singapore using your UK/OZ Passport and then take a bus/car/train into/out of JB, Msia by using Msian passport. But you must always remember to have/use your Msian passport when you go into/out of JB immigration otherwise you will be in deep ####s if wrong passport is presented. This dual citizenship can only be done (I presume) if the Malaysian passport is always renewed back in Msia whenever it is expired and not in the Msian embassy in UK or OZ, otherwise the Msian Embassy there will able to find out by checking with the local immigration office in regard to your citizenship status. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Lee. | |
| Don't be greedy...you must choose either one soon or later only. I think your main concern would be your taxing and career. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| I have always had R O A certificates on my Malaysian passports, happily transfering them free of charge on to renewed passports. R O A certs are no longer transferable, and must be reapplied at a cost of over 300 for each new passport. #### expensive!! I recently returned from Malaysia with my renewed MAL passport issued by High Com London plus carried my old MAL passport (issued in Bintulu Sarawak) with the R O A with me. The Border Official told me that as long as I have the latest old passport with the R O A cert, I was not subject to UK border controls, and I was at liberty to join the UK queue. My Malaysian passport was not even stamped!!!In and out of Malaysia I usually use the automatic barriers, unless they are not working. My only malaysian border stamps are between Miri KL, when I was too lazy to show my Sarawak ID Card. So Cintapants, if you read this note, when travelling to Malaysia, only bring your Malaysian passports with you. Officials have been known to do a search, and if they find you carrying a non Malaysian travel doccument,.... say goodbye to your malaysian citizenship. As for your children, have them in the UK, but register them with the High Com London, making sure you show your Sarawak 'K' IC, otherwise they will loose their 'Sarawak Citizenship'. Now you can have your cake and eat it. Further, there is no need to carry all your old passports as Alex said, just the latest old one!! Finally, if you register with IRIS, then all you have to do at the UK Border Control is to show your EYES to a camera!!!All the Amoh Langs are amazed how fast I get through immigration at heathrow or gatwick! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Frustrated Ahmad | |
| I find the Malaysian Coverment's attitude on Dual Nationality somewhat repugnant and annoying. The Malaysian goverment should realise that when Bapa Malaysia accepted independance from his masters he condoned dual nationality, by allowing those born in the straits settlements before 1948 to have dual citizenship i.e. citizen of the united kingdom and malaysian citizen. Malaysian goverment officials, what are you worried about? If a person has citizenship of another country and chooses to exercise it, then it is the responsibility of the host country to address , not Malaysia's!!!! Your only responsibility is to someone travelling with a Malaysian passport. In other areas you are experts in ignoring your responsibilities and commitments so what is new here?? Listen you goverment bumiputras, its time you came out of your silly mindset, otherwise Mahathir's 2020 will never happen. Allow the flexibility of dual passports for travelling. You should realise that caucasian areas have distorted mindsets and many Malaysians suffer when travelling with Malaysian passports. Until you enforce tit for tat measures, many malaysians will try to obtain foreign passports, not because they want the citizenship, but because it facilitates a less chance of being stopped by a bias immigration official without any scrupples. Either you stop these senseless and unwarrented discrimination activities to avoid malaysian embarraments at border controls, or issue us with diplomatic passports. There is a precedent. Mahathier did it to one of our Malaysian bisnessmen after a silly stupid US Immigration official applied his usual ignorrance. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
"We have to conduct a study on the pros and cons and make a political decision," said Malaysian High Commissioner to Britain Datuk Abdul Aziz Mohamad.
The Government had always been pragmatic in terms of looking at issues, he said in response to the suggestion on dual nationality by Asean-UK Business Forum president S.K. Lingam.
Aziz said the issue was something new, as the country's laws and system did not provide for dual citizenship. Sat, Jan 24, 2009" in the STAR?!! Two responses below
1. Patience Bros Patience. We must allow Malaysian Gov. to have due study process. Read Quotes above. Datuk Aziz you are wrong. Subject is NOT NEW. Frustrated Ahmad is correct about Bapa Malaysia and straits settlements. May you long continue your studies......... THIS VIEW FROM ANNONYMUS.
2. Allo Malaysians, why you so silly? Why you wan two citizen for?? No need lah. Many many goverment children already have two citizenship. This OK. Too many of big shot already happening. Enough Enough, Goverment can cheat, but not simple people.. NO DUAL NATIONAL for every person.......THIS MALAYSIAN GOVERMENT RESPONSE | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | elm0kiss | |
| i am looking at getting my oz citizenship as well and i have renewed my malaysian passport at malaysian high consulate in canberra. does it mean that i will never be able to "play the trick" because they have my information in their system now? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| ElmOkiss Malaysia does not allow Duel Nationally. You say you have renewed your “MY” passport. Does your old passport show that you have right of entry into this “OZ” place??. Can it be transferred to you new “MY” passport??
When applying for your citizenship be open with your situation, and ask them if they do inform the Malaysian High Com there of your application. In UK, when applying for a Brit Passport the Brit Government used to send the Malaysian passport back to Malaysia, but as far as I know, they do not do this anymore.
DO NOT travel to Malaysia with two Passports. Leave your foreign passport behind. If for any reason, you are searched by an immigration officer or police in Malaysia, and they find you have a document indicating you are a citizen of another country, they will clip the corner of your Malaysia Passport and you will loose your Malaysia Citizenship. If you are not fussed about loosing your Malaysian status, then take a chance, and live with any consequences. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | elm0kiss | |
| yeah, i think i will ask the question when it comes. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | S123 | |
| I have a question. With now holding a ROA-less Malaysian passport and British passport, working in Malaysia with the Msian identity, what is the consequences if I get caught, somehow? And if let's say I hold some professional membership like Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA), is this immigration dual nationality issue a problem to professional licence, in terms of ethics and violations?
What is the penalty? Jail? Fine?
Many thanks!!
-S123 | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
S123, you should carefully read what Miri Boy has written. Does your malaysian passport have a stamp beginning "Given leave to entre for etc etc etc"? If so you can maintain your UK status provided you return within a two year period. Malaysia does allow professional qualifications and I know many who are Lawyers both in UK and Malaysia.
Provided you renew your malaysian passport you can travel in and out of the UK if you carry your old passport with the "Given leave to entre...." endorsement to show the border control officer. Do beware of carrying another passport into Malaysia showing you have another nationality. Modern electronics can detect and read what is in your luggage!
If the Malaysian authorities find a foreign passport on you you will loose your Malaysian Citizenship. I have a few Malaysian friends who still work in the UK and some who are back in Malaysia, but have to come back every two years to maintain their UK status. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | S123 | |
| Orang Ulu, my situation is a bit complicated. I used to have ROA on my msian passport but lost that passport and they refused to give me a new passport at the msian embassy in UK. So I had no choice but to pick up a british passport. Years later, I am back to msia for good and successfully reapplied the msian passport. Unintentionally holding two passports. As i understand it, the lost expired msian identity might have overstayed in the UK, although I already have the UK status. I do not know if I should clear that, and how to clear that. Now permanently in msia, do i still have to go back to UK every two years to maintain the uk status? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
| Gee S123, Your situation is complicated!!!! To have got a new passport you would have had to produce a lost police report etc etc. I am unsure how you resolve your situation.
Your UK Passport is valid for 10 years. You do not have to prove you are Brit Cit unless your facial features substancially change. If then you have to submit proof etc etc, when renewing your brit passport. So for the present and up to the validity of your Brit Passport you can go in and out of the UK without any problem.
From what I can gather, you have come back to Malaysia on a Brit Passport and therefore the records show that you have overstayed your "Welcome", in Malaysia as a Brit Cit. Subsequently, you applied for a Mal Passport here in Malaysia, so I presume you have an IC etc etc.
The problem you have is the immigration passport stamps you should have on your malaysian passport including the "Given leave to entre" stamp, for the Malaysia Immigration authorities to show you have UK abode.
If you value your Brit Cit, then I would go to the UK with your two Passports, enter with your Malaysia Passport, and then go to the home Office in Croydon and explain your situation, and ask if you can have the "given leave to remain etc etc" put on your passport, or if not, the possibility to apply for another ROA (Very expensive now). The ROA office in Liverpool do keep all the application records.
Realise you have a time limit stay on your Mal Passport. You could also shwo the Immigration your two passports. You would then loose your immigration stamp on your Mal Passport showing your travel movement, unless he takes pity on you and puts the "Given leave to enter ot remain etc etc" on your passport. Your problem then goes away, unless you are careless and loose your passport again.
The above are the only suggestions I can offer. Good luck in your endeavours | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Orang Ula makes sense, but it seems be a bit complicated. An alternative is to leave things as they are. When the time comes to renew your British Passort, go back to the UK and apply. The processes takes two weeks, if you already have a british passport. If your features have changed then you have to submit documental proof once again. This process will take longer. Exit UK on your Malaysian passport.
Beware that circumnavigating the law is a risky business. Be mindful that passport machines record travel movements. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Anita | |
@ Alex,
Hi, in your reply, you mentioned you know of friends that carry 2-3 passport. I'm interested to buy a second passport but do not know how and who is reliable. Can you check for me, how and where, or perhaps a contact ? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | TEMPEST | |
| Hi, I have london issued MAL passport, the old one has my ROA stamp - i carry both when i travel.
I live in the UK permanantly and probably always will. My parents never applied for UK passport for me when i was little, so now i am 33 still with MAL passport but am a legal UK resident.
I discovered that i can now get UK passport for "free" (just admin fee applies) because of Uk descent on mothers side.
My Question is:
1: If I get UK passport, do i just continue to travel to Malysia on MAL passport?
2: My dad has signed over property in my name in KL, if i lose my MAL passport, am I able to keep/claim the property in the long run? Does it get complicated?
Thanks for any help - much appreciated.
Tempest | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| A UK Passport makes it easier to travel, less questions and checks thrown at you. Do not give up your MY IC or MY passport if you continue to posess property in Malaysia. Makes it a lot easier in dealings etc.
The answer to your first question is "Yes", carrying your old ROA pasport with you. Malaysian immigration now check at the embarkation gate that you have valid entry to your destination country. | |
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| RE: Malaysia Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Matthew | |
| I am a Malaysia citizen, was studying in Australia and become an Australia citizen, living in Australia now.
I wanted to hold both citizenship simply bcoz of parents living in Malaysia and my career in Australia.
I am wondering how to keep both dual nationality and avoid caught by Malaysia government?
By holding dual passport, how to avoid Malaysia government checking and caught if I need to travel back to Malaysia for more than a year time? :-
Travel from Aus to Malaysia
1. When I travel back to Malaysia from Aus, which passport should i use?
2. Will Aus custom stamp both of my passport when I depart from Aus to Malaysia?
3. And, when I reach Malaysia, by using Malaysia passport which allow me to stay as long as I could. But, will the Malaysia custom ask about my travel visa to Aus and why I do not have any arriving and departing stamp on the country I was visit?
4. How to avoid Malaysia custom found out that I am carrying two passport back to Malaysia during custom checking?
Travel from Malaysia to Australia.
5. Does it mean when I am travel back to Australia. I should use my Aus passport at Malaysia Custom as no visa require? Will they check when did I arriving to Malaysia?
6. If I use Malaysia passport travel back to Australia, will they ask for my Aus travel visa on malasyia passport which I would not have one due to dual citizen?
I know there are plenty of people holding dual nationality (incl Malaysia) but I really need to know how does it work before getting my Australia citizenship.
Thanks
I am a Malaysia citizen, was studying in Australia and become an Australia citizen, living in Australia now.
I wanted to hold both citizenship simply bcoz of parents living in Malaysia and my career in Australia.
I am wondering how to keep both dual nationality and avoid caught by Malaysia government?
By holding dual passport, how to avoid Malaysia government checking and caught if I need to travel back to Malaysia for more than a year time? :-
Travel from Aus to Malaysia
1. When I travel back to Malaysia from Aus, which passport should i use?
2. Will Aus custom stamp both of my passport when I depart from Aus to Malaysia?
3. And, when I reach Malaysia, by using Malaysia passport which allow me to stay as long as I could. But, will the Malaysia custom ask about my travel visa to Aus and why I do not have any arriving and departing stamp on the country I was visit?
4. How to avoid Malaysia custom found out that I am carrying two passport back to Malaysia during custom checking?
Travel from Malaysia to Australia.
5. Does it mean when I am travel back to Australia. I should use my Aus passport at Malaysia Custom as no visa require? Will they check when did I arriving to Malaysia?
6. If I use Malaysia passport travel back to Australia, will they ask for my Aus travel visa on malasyia passport which I would not have one due to dual citizen?
I know there are plenty of people holding dual nationality (incl Malaysia) but I really need to know how does it work before getting my Australia citizenship.
Thanks | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | EFYL | |
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| After reading this thread, I am really concern about my situation.
I am Malaysian working abroad for 20 years in different countries. Few years ago I decided to get the US citizenship because I am tired of reapplying PR or Visitor visa every time I return to US after leaving the country more than 12 months. I do plan to eventually return to Malaysia permanently as my entire family are still there.
1) When I return to live in Malaysia, what do I have to do? Apply like a foreigner?
2) What happen to my IC? Will they cancel my IC? If so, how could I claim my EPF money back later?
3) What happen to the house that is under my name (bought prior to the change of citizenship)? Will it consider a foreign owned property?
4) If I buy a property now, am I considered foreigner?
5) If my father transfer property ownership to me now, will it considered foreign transaction?
My son was declined Malaysian citizenship because he was born overseas to a non Malaysian father. Only US government gave him citizenship eventhough he was born in a 3rd country. Now I have to wait until he finishes school in the US before I could return to Malaysia.
It may sound not so patriot but people do have various reason wanting to keep dual citizenship. I love my parents in Malaysia and I love my son too.
Comment and guidance appreciated. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust123 | |
| I am living in Australia and is currently holding both Aust and M'sia passport. Successfully used both passports to travel to M'sia with no problem May this year (2011). The only way to do this is to transmit thru 3rd country eg. Singapore or Brunei.
Depart Aust-Aust Passport
Enter Brunei-M'sia Passport
Exit Brunei and Enter M'sia (Limbang)- M'sia Passport.
Exit M'sia and Enter Brunei- M'sia Passport
Exit Brunei (flight to Brisbane)- M'sia Passport. But show Brunei Immigration that I'll enter Aust using my Aust Passport. 3rd country don't care how many passport you have. But never show M'sia immi that u have 2 passports!!
Enter Aust- Aust Passport.
*FOR Aust passport holder, Aust immi will no stamp your Aust passport when you enter or exit Aust.
I am going back to Limbang (small Malaysian Town bordering Brunei) next month to renew my M'sia Passport.
Question:
Anyone has successfully using 2 passports like me before and can still renew Msian Passport in Malaysia with no problem? I worried that upon renewal, M'sia passport department may want me to produce my Aust Visa as if they checked my "in and out" of M'sia, they would realised that I lived most of my life outside M'sia.
Will they check or just blindly RENEW!!!!
Any feedback?
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | PPV77 | |
| Dear Aust123,
How many times/years have you used your "technique" ?
Using a 3rd country seem to be the most practical method !
Rgds | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust123 | |
| Just got back from Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia trip in Jan 2012. Successfully renewed Malaysian Passport. Exit Aust using Aust passport and enter Aust using Aust Passport. Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia all use Malaysia passport. When coming back MUST use third country. ie Singapore in this case. Showed Singapore airport check in operator Malaysia passport and Aust passport. Malaysia to exit Singapore back to Aust and Aust passport to enter Aust. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Aust123, did Singapore immigration stamp your Malaysian passport when you transited there to catch your outbound flight? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| It is the Singapore Changi Airport check in counter (to get your boarding pass) that check how you are going into Aust without Aust Visa on Malaysia Passport. Thus, I showed them my Aust Passport. Singapore Immigration just need a valid passport to enter and exit Singapore. They stamped my Malaysian Passport when Exit Singapore on outboard flight to Australia. Singapore Immigration did not care if you have valid passport to enter Aust. This is because they just responsible for in/out and it is NOT their job to check where you are going when EXIT the country.
The same thing applied to Brunei Airport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Before you obtained your Cit status, you must have had documentary proof that you were legally entitled to stay without immigration restrictions,i.e. either a letter, or a stamp in one of your old passports. The Hi Com here in London will not renew my MY passport without me showing my old passport with the right of Abode Cert(ROC), showing I have unrestricted stay.
The automatic gates scan your passport and record your last 10 movements or so against a check list. If an issue is found, the gate won't open and the immigration officer will scan and check that you have valid reasons to be away, i.e working/student visa, or PR etc in your MY passport or ask for other documentary proof. Your MY passport has an exit stamp. The scan in MY will show how long you have been away....Your proof???? if questioned?????? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | USAguy77 | |
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| Hi Aut123,
I m contemplating of getting US citizenship. I am happy for your recent trips to Malaysia. Wonder:
1) Does your Aussie passport have the same name as your Malaysian Passport? [Note: 'coz in US, most people will change their First Name, eg Nelson Tan, or Wendy Chang, during naturalization process].
2) What Name did you use when you purchased your flight ticket back to Australia and also to Brunei? Did you just follow all the information in you Aussie passport? From what i know, for US and even Australia, you must depart or enter US using the same information using US passport.
3)Did Brunei Custom and S'pore Custom ask for your Aussie passport when you landed or departed? What information did you fill for the embarkation card/ departure card - based on Aussie passport or Malaysian passport?
Very grateful if you can reply.
All the best! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Here is the answer:
Before you obtained your Cit status, you must have had documentary proof that you were legally entitled to stay without immigration restrictions,i.e. either a letter, or a stamp in one of your old passports. The Hi Com here in London will not renew my MY passport without me showing my old passport with the right of Abode Cert(ROC), showing I have unrestricted stay.
Answer: Aust government allow dual citizenship. Thus, obtaining citizenship of Aust will have no problem while having Malaysia citizenship. Once you obtained British citizenship say, if you need to renew your Malaysian Passport, DO NOT RENEW IN LONDON or in any high com. As you said, they will check your ROC and once you are British Citizen, then there will be no ROC right? Same as Australian won't have any Permanent Residency Visa on Malaysian Passport anymore. YOU NEED TO RENEW your PASSPORT in MALAYSIA ONLY!!!!
The automatic gates scan your passport and record your last 10 movements or so against a check list. If an issue is found, the gate won't open and the immigration officer will scan and check that you have valid reasons to be away, i.e working/student visa, or PR etc in your MY passport or ask for other documentary proof. Your MY passport has an exit stamp. The scan in MY will show how long you have been away....Your proof???? if questioned??????
ANSWER: I have entered Malaysia using Malaysian Passport TWICE so far in the past 12 months. My Malaysian passport don't have any foreign visa attached. It was really clean with a few stamp from mainly Singapore, Brunei, etc. The immigration officer is an "an passport analyzer". When enter in Malaysia using Malaysia passport, they just scan your passport and do nothing more than that!! Do not expect them to conduct "entry exit timeframe check". They don't paid high enough to check that in details and question you why you have been away from Malaysia for 2 years and where do you stay while overseas and where is your Visa status for overseas.
In case they ask?? If can say that your VISA for overseas stay eg. PR visa was on your old passport and you did not have it with you.
The same thing applied if you are trying to renew your Malaysian Passport in Malaysia. I was quite worried that Passport Officer will conduct "Entry, Exit time frame check" and ask me where is my Visa for overseas stay for such a long time. However, I have successfully renewed my PASSPORT with 1 hour express guaranteed pick up and no QUESTION ASKED!!! They either don't have time to check or too lazy or it was not on their standard operating protocol to check!!!
If they did said, just said that you left the old passport at home that has overseas resident visa. Then, too bad, you can't renew your passport then. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Correction to Miri Boy.
The immigration officer is an "an passport analyzer"
I meant, "immigration officer is NOT passport analyzer". At least, not in Malaysia... maybe in other countries??? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Dear USA guy 77,
Here is the answer:
1) Does your Aussie passport have the same name as your Malaysian Passport? [Note: 'coz in US, most people will change their First Name, eg Nelson Tan, or Wendy Chang, during naturalization process].
Answer: I am using the SAME name on both Aussie and Malaysian Passport. Back to Malaysia 4 times in the past 5 years. The first 2 trips always used Aussie Passport for the whole trip and exit Aust, enter Malaysia, etc all use Aussie Passport. The last 2 trip used both passports was to "test the system" for the trip 6 months ago and renew passport for the trip in January 2012. Also, must use 2 passports if need to renew passport in Malaysia. You need to use Malaysia passport to ENTER Malaysia and renew there. If not, when passport officer checked, your status might still be overseas on the passport u tried to renew. Whenever possible, try just use Aussie Passport for the whole trip.
2) What Name did you use when you purchased your flight ticket back to Australia and also to Brunei? Did you just follow all the information in you Aussie passport? From what i know, for US and even Australia, you must depart or enter US using the same information using US passport.
Answer: Air ticket always have the same name as Passport ie for me, they are the same. Aust government advised dual citizen to use Aust passport to ENTER and EXIT Australia. It is up to you what passport to use to ENTER other countries in the world. But you might NOT have "Australian diplomatic protection" if you enter another country using non-Australian Passport.
3)Did Brunei Custom and S'pore Custom ask for your Aussie passport when you landed or departed? What information did you fill for the embarkation card/ departure card - based on Aussie passport or Malaysian passport?
Answer: When landed in Brunei and Singapore, I used my Malaysian Passport to enter. They will NOT ask for other passport as they don't care where you came in from. What they are checking mainly your criminal record, etc on the passport you are using to ENTER into their country.
When departed Brunei or Singapore TO AUSTRALIA, only the check-in counter will ask you how are you going to enter Australia without visa on your blank Malaysian Passport? I then showed them my Aust Passport and tell them this is how I enter Aust. The custom has no interest in your dual citizenship. Thus, never ask anything. Just use your Malaysian Passport to depart custom in Brunei or Singapore.
To fill in the card to enter Brunei/Singapore. I said that I am Malaysian. ie if you want to use Malaysian Passport to enter Brunei/Singapore, then disclose that you are Malaysian and use the Malaysian Passport details.
On the other hand, if you plan to use Aust Passport to enter Brunei/Singapore, then use your Aust Passport details to fill in the CARD. It is very simple.
Aust passport to enter Brunei need to pay B$30. Thus, best to enter Brunei using Malaysian Passport to avoid paying "visa on arrival fee" for Australian. For Singapore, Aust can enter with no visa and free!
Malaysia passport will last for 5 years. For the next 5 years, I'll only use Aust passport for my round trip and NOT using 2 passports. The use of 2 passports will be essential on the trip back home that you NEED TO RENEW your Malaysian Passport.
Whenever possible, try to avoid using 2 passports for overseas trip. Aust passport will have better diplomatic protection than Malaysia Passport if you stuck in a country where you need consular assistance. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Frustrated Ahmad | |
| Malaysian Govt. Do you read these and other postings on DUAL Nationality??? and the problems Malaysians encounter. I travel using my MY Passport and I am so frustrated having to be in Europe or other Caucasian areas. So often I am held up because ot the color of my skin and then further because of my MY Passport. And more too, when I return home I find that the Malaysian Immigration counter QUEUE is longer and than the foreign one at KILA, especially when the auto gates are not working! Those foreigners really laugh at us.
We cannot and should not allow Dual nationality for every country. Just as we ban travel to Israel, and in the past, China, and have various selective visa restrictions, surely we can also be selective for Malaysians to have Dual Nationality. Many Malaysians are overseas for economic reasons and the return renumerations to Malaysia are beneficial. Most of the countries that allow Dual Nationality are making it very difficult for non Caucasians to get citizenship now. Why penalise the dwindling Malaysians that are eligable. PLEASE look at our frustrations of travelling to Caucasian countries. I really feel sorry for some of the threads here where Malaysians have to break the law, so that they can travel and work away from home.
I do not have to spell out the countries I refer to. You said you were going to review this law a few years ago. KENA APA TIDAK BUNYI????! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | USAguy77 | |
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| Hi Aust123,
Thanks for your reply.
By the way, is it possible for me to renew my passport at Malaysia consulate in Los Angeles? I am worried that the LA consulate will have my US permanent resident record since they asked for a copy of my permanent resident card.
[Note: currently, I have not yet applied for US citizenship.]
I read some threads that we should not renew our passport at the overseas consulate/high commission.
Will this cause problem if later I become US citizen and when i return to Malaysia to renew my Malaysian passport?
Have you ever renewed yr Malaysian passport when you were Aussie permanent resident with the Malaysian High
Commission in Australia?
Please share your view. Thanks! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Aust 123, Thks 4 Ur reply. Himmmmm, it seems so awful the things and risks we have to take as Malaysians in order not to loose our Citizenship. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi USAGuy77,
I never renew my Malaysian Passport in Australia because:
Malaysian government only allowed passport to be renewed in person in Canberra high com. Yes!! For the whole Australia as big as China, you are only allowed to go to one place in person ie Canberra to renew passport.
No postal renewal allowed!!
I am not sure if you renew your Malaysian Passport in LA and if you applied citizenship in the future, Malaysia government might find out if have dual citizenship. The best way is to try renew in Malaysia if you can.
It is a shame that as Malaysian we need to "break the law" to have dual citizenship where such privilege is openly available for most citizen of western countries. I have a Taiwanese friend legally hold 3 passports. ie New Zealand, Australia & Taiwan!!!!!!
I have read an online thread before that a member of parliament in Malaysia also have dual citizenship and it was revealed by Opposition in the Parliament. Due to "Malaysian way of doing thing", she (the politician) can openly break the law and nothing can be done on her. This "double standard" of law enforcement is really sad. Am I right? Is this factual? I might be wrong.
It would be more interested to learn more about this case and implication of "if caught with dual citizenship". Anyone can provide feedback on this?
I heard that the worse come to worse, if caught, you'll just have to denounce your Malaysian Citizenship.
All the best to anyone trying to hold dual citizenship. Towards the end, if you live in UK, US or AUS, etc almost half your life and there will be no possibility of living in Malaysia in the future, would it really matter if you lose your Malaysian citizenship? I know many Malaysian denounced Malaysian citizenship after getting Aust citizenship in order to get $$ out from EPF. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Vonnie | |
| I have read this thread with interest as I am in the same situation. However, one big BUT....
If I get a Brit passport the ROA in my old passport will eventually be 3,4,5 passports old as I have to renew my MY passport every 5 years. Currently my ROA sticker is in old passport 2 meaning I carry 2 MY passports with me but in 15 years time it will be in old passport 5! Does this make sense?
So how to solve the problem.... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Vonnie,
Will ROA ever expired or you need to renew it every 5 years? Will ROA cease to be issued or auto invalid once you are British Citizen?
In Australia, PR will have PR sticker on their M'sian Passport and is subject for renewal once every 5 years by Aust immigration. Thus, for PR you might renew your Msian passport but still have PR sticker in old passport ie carrying 2 passports is common for PR. Once you take up Aust citizenship, PR sticker will NOT be renewed anymore. Thus, you'll only have a blank Malaysian Passport.
As of 2012 real practical test case, Passport Office did not ask for my PR sticker as they did not conduct "country in, out analysis". Thus, it is possible to maintain 2 passports provided you use 3rd country eg Singapore or Brunei as a transit hub for your trip back to Malaysia from UK. Then, you can renew your passport in Malaysia with no problem.
Another option is to ask to see if British Immigration still can issue you a new ROA despite the fact that you are already citizen. I doubt it.
Hope this help. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
I am in a similar situation. I have not applied for a ROA Cert. They cost £169 now, over RM500 each time. Once apon a time they only charged for the first one. Proof is now needed with each new application, and I cannot be bothered to send the documents to Liverpool. I just carry the old MY Passport with the ROA in it. 'Leave to remain' vignettes are also not tranferable. I have a doctor friend who has the same problem, but renews his MY passport in Miri.
I need to to renew my MY passport July 2012 in London. ROA Certs are only valid if the passport is current. My present MY passport does not have a ROA Cert. Will be interesting to note what the MY High Com will say to me.
If you get a Brit Passport you cannot apply for a ROA Cert. I do not intend to apply for a new ROA cert, but carry my old passport and then argue with the immi officer that I have already met the criteria of having PR in UK.
You could take a chance, apply for a Brit Passport, and then do what has been suggested here, always renew your MY passport in Malaysia, and then use either Singapore, Brunei, Bangkok etc to return to the UK on your Brit Passport. Also remember, you could apply for a ROA Cert at the UK High Com in KL, if you have the time, then your lengthy stay in UK will not be questioned.
Finally, its a real shame that the Concervative Govt. threw out UK ID cards. I was looking forward to get my UK PR ID Card. The two passport problem would have gone away! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Western countries usually don't have ID card. Australia also don't have one and the idea of introducing one has been strongly opposed by most Australian and ideology of Civil libertarianism.
Government is not free to introduce what they want and opposition power is very strong. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| To clarify. Tony Blair/Gordon Brown's Labour Govt. had already started issuing ID Cards in the UK Midlands on a voluntary basis. About 30,000 took up the offer at £30 a throw. The final roll out was to be a modified special for UK PRs who were non UK Cits, i.e. MYs SINs etc. David Cameron (Con Govt) threw the scheme out and destroyed the ID database. All issued UK ID cards are now invalid. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Miri Boy,
Interesting story. This showed that most westerners wanted privacy and prefer NOT to have ID cards. Also, UK government responded to public pressure even it was just voluntary roll out???
Anyway, we'll keep this forum as "Dual Nationality" so that we don't branch out too much.
Awaiting for more people to contribute to this forum. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | nivea11 | |
| Hi Aus123
i was thinking to get a nz citienship recently.. I have read how you enter and exit msia/aus. its sounds great and a few people i know that are holding a dual citizenship were doing the same things. but i found a few problems when i was travelling that really concerned me.
at the check in counter, I was usually asked to present a return ticket to msia if i were to travel overseas.. my fren was asked to present a return ticket(in klia) despite he explained that he will get a student visa once in nz and buy a return ticket when he know when he finished his exams. he was forced to book a ticket on spot (not with the counter) before checking in. so did you bought a return ticket to aus?
i flew to brunei and transited to nz before.. before departing, there will be a staff double checking your valid visa.. it was frustrating because i was once asked by a staff that accused me for not having a valid visa to enter nz. i need explained to her what my PR meant to her.. and other staffs in the room show no interest to help or to clarify the matter, causing a long queue behind me. you were really brave to show ur passport to the sg immgration.. i was concerned if i did the same thing in other country especially brunei. they will share this information to the msia gov because I once read a news saying that canada has been helping msia to identify dual citizenship ppl..
i m not sure about aus but nz doesnt allow the use of visa in an old passport. we always need to go to the embassy and get a new PR sticker on the msian passport. I would like to ask if any country you know of or anyone who read this reply could tell me that their country do not allow the use of visa in old passport.
malaysia will be left behind if they still refused to allow dual citizenship. as i know our neighbouring countries like vietnam and philipines have recently allowed. stop pushing away the ppl that could help the countries' future and recruiting ppl that cause more trouble than help
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi nivea11,
3 important points to cover here in answering your questions:
1. It is norm for airline to check and make sure you have return air ticket if you travel to a country NOT your principle of residence. eg. when I travel to Malaysia using Australian Passport, it is compulsory to have return air ticket back to Australia. However, if you can produce proof that you have valid visa to stay in the "third country", then no return air ticket required. Your friend should have obtained NZ student visa in Malaysia before departing Malaysia. I found it strange for student NOT having visa and travel to NZ and claimed that the visa will only be issued there. Thus, under "normal circumstances", most students would have student visa issued in (say NZ high com) in Malaysia and thus one way ticket would be accepted.
2. I have both showed both my Malaysian Passport and Australian Passport in Brunei and Singapore Airport before. One major point you need to understand is that the PASSPORTS were shown to the "CHECK IN COUNTER" staff. They are NOT immigration officer. It is their duty (check in counter staff) to check and make sure you have valid visa to enter the destination country in your air ticket. If they did not do that, the airline can be fined!!
I never show my 2 passports to IMMIGRATION OFFICER in Singapore or Brunei. This is NOT required and you do not need to show both passports to them. IMMIGRATION OFFICER does not need to make sure you have valid visa to enter your destination country. Their duty is to make sure you ENTER and EXIT "their" country legally. That's all. Thus, story of Canadian Immigration Office helping Malaysian Government to trace down DUAL CITIZENSHIP holders might be a big hard to believe. Bear in mind that "dual citizenship" is not a major international crime and thus, for 2 country to sign an agreement to co-operate in tracking down this "crime" sound a big strange. Also, western countries have strong PRIVACY LAWS and thus usually won't be committed to this kind of agreement if this dual citizenship is legalized in their country. For Singapore or Brunei, as I mentioned before, immigration officers are NOT interested in checking your visa to your destination country. Imaging so many passports and so many destination countries that passed thru the Immigration EXIT counters each day. They don't care where you are going because you had legally EXIT their countries and where you go to is not their problem anymore. THUS, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW BOTH PASSPORTS TO IMMI OFFICER IN SINGAPORE OR BRUNEI. On the other hand, airlines has duty of care to make sure you have valid visa to enter the country on your air ticket. THUS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SHOW BOTH PASSPORTS TO COUNTER CHECK IN OFFICER IN SINGAPORE OR BRUNEI.
3. Australia allowed PR visa to be on old passport. Thus, it is common for Malaysian to hold 1 old Malaysian Passport with PR visa stamp and the new Malaysian Passport for travelling. However, once you obtained citizenship, PR visa won't be issued anymore.
I hope this clear things up.
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 1 times) | sotong | |
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| to nivea11:
RE: "i m not sure about aus but nz doesnt allow the use of visa in an old passport. we always need to go to the embassy and get a new PR sticker on the msian passport. I would like to ask if any country you know of or anyone who read this reply could tell me that their country do not allow the use of visa in old passport."
Canadian visas in old passports are not valid.
Also, if anyone here is interested, the official proof of permanent resident status in Canada is the Permanent Resident Card. No sticker is placed in our passports unless you are from a non-visa-exempt country like Malaysia. Also, the sticker is only valid for a single entry. It is expected that you would use a PR card for subsequent returns to Canada.
If granted Canadian citizenship, Canadian PRs with valid PR cards must return them at the citizenship ceremony. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
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| Canadian citizens must use a valid Canadian passport to return to Canada. However, according to http://www.asianpacificpost.com/article/canada-helps-malaysians-break-citizenship-laws, in the past the High Commission of Canada in Kuala Lumpur was issuing special visas to Canadian Malaysians so that they can enter Canada on their Malaysian passports. Unfortunately, the Malaysian government found out. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Sotong,
Interesting article!! This showed that Canada never helped Malaysian government to prosecute dual citizenship. In fact, they HELPED Malaysian. But found out by Malaysian government. : (
Copy and paste from the article, "Malaysia does not recognize dual nationality and it is criminal offence for Malaysians to have multiple passports. Malaysians found holding dual citizenship are automatically stripped of their Malaysian citizenship."
My advice is.. if you "treasure" your Malaysian Citizenship, then of course the risk is there by using my method to avoid detection, thus be loyal to Malaysia and don't take on dual citizenship.
However, if you don't mind to be stripped Malaysian citizenship automatically, then take the risk and do it. If found, they will strip your citizenship automatically. This method is easier than go to denounce your Malaysian citizenship voluntarily where you have to go thru the hassle of filling it form, pay fee, queuing, etc.
Denouncing Malaysian citizenship can be troublesome process and some may choose this "risky" method and if found out, it is GOOD also as not need to denounce and auto stripped!! "one stone 2 birds"...... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| This is just one of the examples where for those in power, you can get around with having dual citizenship where authorities closed one eye.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2011/12/17/poser-over-dual-citizenship/ | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| Hi guys,
My Malaysian passport still has 3 years validity with a UK PR sticker and I'm now qualified for a British passport. Hope you can answer the following questions:
1. Does anyone who has UK PR sticker on their Malaysian passport, only uses Malaysian passport whenever they visit Malaysia and only uses their British passport when they arrive/landed in Heathrow?
2. Will UK immigration question why hasn't there any entry and exit stamps from Malaysia on the British passport?
3. As my final destination is usually to East Malaysia, I don't remember receiving exit and entry stamps on my Malaysian passport either in Singapore or Brunei if you are only in transit. Do you mean 'physically' getting out of Singapore and then travel to JB to catch an East Malaysian flight and 'physically' out from Brunei and travel by road / ferry to East Malaysia?
Hope to hear your answers. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pantat Itam Brit | |
Slay I think you have two choices.
1) Renew your MAL passport at the High Com in London. Transfer your PR to new passport at Croydon, if you want to at extra cost. (I would not because of expense). When you travel to MAL carry your two MAS passports and your IC. Malaysian Immigration will not bar you from travelling back if they see you have PR entitlement in your old passport. With your existing MAL passport and your new one you will have about 8 yrs of unhindered travel to Malaysia/UK using your MAS passports. The Brit Immigration officer will not stamp your passport if he sees your PR sticker in your old passport. Cakap masok saheja. As a precaution carry your brit passport with you to show just in case you get a nasty Immigration officer in UK. Believe me they are there. You could also renew your MAS passport in Miri, or KK. Only takes a few hours! The problem is not entering UK, it is exiting Malaysia if you cannot prove you have PR in destination country! You must proof that you can ”Balik Kampong Lah”
You say your journey ends in East Malaysia, where? Sabah or Sarawak. You are right, no stamps in transit, but if your onward journey is from Brunei or Singapore, the passports are stamped at KK, Kuching by air, or if by road at Sungai Tujoh. Do not know the road/ferry crossings, procedures into Sabah.
I took a Brit Passport because of my travel requirements to Europe, China and USA. My company was fed up with me having to apply for this and that visa. I also had to renew my MAS passport frequently, because most of the pages were used up by visas and stamps! You may not have this problem if your journeys are few.
2) I would not use a Brit passport into Malaysia, because foreigners are finger printed, unless you have friends or family who can help you. Jealous Malaysian Immigration officers can cross check with your IC. There is also a time limit.
Finally, renew your IC when in Malaysia. New ones have double photographs, one big one small!
Finally, Finally, fabulous if Malaysia could recognise dual nationality for ALL us Malaysians for the following european countries, USA, Canada, Australia New Zealand and UK. Reading these forums, it seems that Malaysia would benefit most. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| Thank you so much for your answers.
I usually would prefer to renew my passports back in MAL which is quicker and easier. What do you mean by 'The Brit Immigration officer will not stamp your passport if he sees your PR sticker in your old passport' ? I thought it is still ok to carry your old passport with the PR sticker together with your new MAL passport.
Is it allowed to use your MAL passport to enter the UK knowing that you have a Brit passport? Would it be a problem with UK Immigration?
I personally think it's important to have the entry UK stamps on the MAL passport because everytime we return to MAL, I think immigration in MAL would check the consistency of our travel movement (i.e date left MAL and date arrived in UK). That is why I would still prefer to use MAL passport when entering the UK to accummulate the entry stamps. But will UK immigration allow me to do that knowing that I have a Brit passport? That's the big question mark for me???
I seriously think MAL government should bucket up their arrogance and allow dual citizenship. I'm originally from KK and I too travel alot for work and having a Brit passport just makes life much easier. The MAL government has to understand that doesn't make me less of a Malaysian. MAL will always be home to me. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 1 times) | sotong | |
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| Hi Slay,
RE: "Is it allowed to use your MAL passport to enter the UK knowing that you have a Brit passport? Would it be a problem with UK Immigration?"
In my opinion, using a PR visa to enter the UK when you are in fact a citizen is misrepresentation. At least this is the case in Canada. Once you become a British citizen, you are no longer a permanent resident and should not be using the PR visa. In Canada, they make sure you can't do this by:
- issuing a single-use PR visa in the passport that is valid only for the first entry into Canada (when you are first granted permanent resident status)
- subsequent entries to Canada as a PR require a PR card which they take back at the citizenship ceremony | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
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| Hi Sotong,
Thanks so much for sharing about the Canadian system. I'm still so naive about having a second passport!
Cheers. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pantat Itam Brit | |
| "I usually would prefer to renew my passports back in MAL which is quicker and easier. What do you mean by 'The Brit Immigration officer will not stamp your passport if he sees your PR sticker in your old passport' ? I thought it is still ok to carry your old passport with the PR sticker together with your new MAL passport."
Slay, the logic goes like this. When your enter UK you will show the immigration officer your two passports for examination. He will let you through with a chop "V.I.P.P." in your new Malaysian Passport. The chop simply means, "Visa In Previous Passport". He is not allowed to give you an entry or exit stamp in in your new passport, because it invalidates your "Leave to Remain" condition. When travelling out of malaysia, you have to show this chop to the malaysian immigration officer, otherwise he will ask for a return ticket. Just make sure you have the page accessable to the immigration officer. He will not spend time looking for the VIPP stamp
Applying for a "Leave To Remain" vignette at Croydon is cumbersome troublesome and expensive. Am not sure what the fee is now. Somebody told me it is £495. Yes applying in KK for a new passport is easier, but £459; and it goes up every year, every 4.5 years for PR transfer, I tak boleh tahan lah. I rather carry old passports around.
Of course entering UK using a PR visa is bucking the system. Upa boleh buat, Malaysia does not allow two passports. Countries that allow dual nationality don't care what you use. You can be a cit of Britain, but do not let malaysia know. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Transfer for PR, leave to remain is £100. http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/aboutus/fees-table-spring-2011.pdf
I think the £495 fee is from the site below
http://workpermitconsultants.co.uk/ | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| This is interesting, I never know about V.I.P.P stamp! Thanks Pantat Itam Brit to clarifying(I just can't stop laughing at your nick name, man!)
I understand now what you mean about renewing your MAL passport in London rather than in KK, and applying for PR sticker transfer to your new passport at Croydon.
To be honest, I never registered my name at the MAL High Com in London. I always had the perception that if my name and home address is with the High Com, immigration in MAL can easily contact them in London and investigate whether I have applied for a Brit passport. This is what happen to a friend of mine recently...She went home for a holiday and immigration did an investigation on her whether she has a Brit passport. This is what she was told at the airport immigration. Of course she never applied for a Brit passport and was ok to go.
When you think about with today's digital age, the computer can easily do a check with our names. Unless of course you have legally changed it! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Pantat Itam Brit | |
| correct about digital age. Thats why I takut cap tangan. Aku punya baram nama dalam bumi surat dan kad ta sama dan surat negeri ini. Faham Ta?? As for my nick name its the only true thing about me LOL | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Slay | |
| Alamak...Aku faham bah! Susah lah kalau nama tidak sama...hahaha
My only worries is that if I get caught my MAL immigration with a Brit passport, they will strip my MAL citizenship. I still have family back home and property and an active bank account which I use it to send money to the family. Susah lah nanti.... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | banana | |
| This has all been quite interesting. I have UK PR (indefinite leave to remain) and each time I enter UK, they continue to stamp the date of entry. I am told that PR can not queue in the citizen queue at the UK passport control. Is that not the case?
I just had a baby in UK too and am about to apply for a UK passport for him. From what I read, I just need to register him with the M’sian high com before he turns one so that he can then choose if he wants to be M’sian before he turns 18. Can anyone confirm this?
Also, just realised that my MAS passport is going to expire soon, so I have no choice but to renew it in London.
I intend to apply for UK passport after that and intend on continuing to use my MAS passport when going to M’sia. Though I wonder how much trouble/questions will they give me at the M’sian passport control when they see that my son has a UK passport. Anyone done this before? Care to share? Thanks! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
| Banana, Register your baby with the Hi Com in London ASAP and get him a Malaysian Passport. You can apply for a UK passport for him later. Ofcoures the Malaysian Immigration officer will ask you about his status... and yours. I would not invite the situation if I were you. Some of them are very jealous of Malaysians staying overseas
The stamp with your PR sticker is to verify the date you entered UK. PR is an open ended visa to remain in UK provided you are NOT away for two years. If you do not comply, your PR becomes invalid. Your Malaysian passport is still classified as a non EU passport, and therefore you are not allowed in the UK Cit queue. The only way you can get a UK passport is after you become a naturalised UK citizen. You will not be issued with further PR stickers for your Malaysian passport if you get a UK Passport. If your long-term is to settle in Uk, then get UK passports and just pulang for three months only. If you retain your Malaysian passport you will have to pay £100 to get the PR sticker transferred or travel with two passports etc. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | banana | |
| Thanks for your quick reply, orang ulu.
if I apply for MAS passport for my baby, don't I have to go to UKBA to get the UK PR (ILR) for him too? Am not too keen for that hassle and probably costs a bomb  | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Orang Ulu | |
Quick reply because I am in UK at present! I stay at Malaysia Hall because the cost is reasonable, plus I am "at home"!!
Your choices.
A Brit Passport. Its very hard for him to claim MAS cit in future no matter what Mas officials say now. So Mas passport is a good option. Best of both worlds
A PR sticker from Croydon on Mas passport. A lot of hassle and probably £100 cost. But only once as you can carry old passport with you once it expires. How long can your little one carry his old passports??
A ROA (Right of Abode Certificate) from Liverpool. Drawback, a postal service and your documents may get lost in the post. Cost £162. Immigration officials will accept carrying ROAs in old passports, but for how long??
You have some difficult decisions to make. You know what, I know a few malaysians Malaysia hall resturant who have PR at present and some have ROAs. They are from Kedah and Perlis. You do not want to hear what they say about our Goverment!!! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Aust 123 | |
| Hi Banana,
I was still a PR (not Aust citizen) when my first baby was born in Aust. She is Aust Citizen automatically when either parents are PR. Because I was still NOT Aust citizen yet at that time, as a father, I can apply Malaysian Birth Cert which entitled her to apply for Malaysian Passport and decide on nationality before 18 yo. However, when the second baby was born, I have already got my Aust Citizenship, despite mum is still only PR, the second baby is not eligible for Malaysian birth cert. Based on Malaysian Law, father must NOT be citizenship of another country when the baby was born. They don't care about mum's status.
We used to always travel with 2 Malaysian passports (myself and wife) and 2 Aust Passports for my kids back to KLIA. No question asked.
In recent years also travel and enter into Malaysia using 3 Aust Passports (myself and 2 kids) and 1 Malaysian Passports for wife, also no problem. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | banana | |
| Thanks orang ulu and aust 123.
aust 123, Good to know that it doesn't cause any hassles. I will definitely get the malaysian birth cert for my son.
orang ulu, I am curious to know what the few malaysians Malaysia hall resturant people have to say about the m'sian govt.
cheers | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orang kl | |
My two UK born baby who are holding malaysia and UK passport facing serious problem now.
As the malaysia passport have no UK status, so I think Malaysia embassy in London will not allow for renew, I cant apply for ROA as UK refuse to give , if I apply indifinate leave to remain will cost GBP972 per kid not gurantee UK will approve or not, but i really hope my two kids are still holding Malaysia nationality in future. what can i do?????
somemore I had make the mistake as I use UK passport for them to enter Malaysia for holiday. really dont know how the future will be...
Urgent advice please... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| orang kl you say your babies have both malaysian and british passports?? Therefore Malaysia has recognised them as being Malaysian citizens. Is their Father British???? If use then just use malaysian passports when you enter malaysia with them again. They do not need Leave to Remain because their UK birth certificates will allow them exit from malaysia and entry into UK. I think Leave to Remain visas cost £100, but croydon will not issue if they have british passports. Were the babies finger printed when they entered Malaysia?? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
miriboy. no both of us r malaysian, actually first I apply Malaysia passport first but didnt apply for leave to remain or ROA , than I apply for UK passport and use it to enter into Malaysia without fingerprint, now my problem as I need to renew the passport , if at London sure they will ask her status in here,so I just show birt cert???? if at Malaysia, again will they check out that they hv use UK passport enter b4????
anyone can help??? really get headache for me.... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
| High Comm in London already mention they need ROA in baby Malaysia passport, which I cant get it now, so the only choice to renew the passport will be at Malaysia and I go thro 3rd country??
When I renew at Malaysia, will they find out that I had use the UK passport to enter Malaysia before??
If I let the passport to be expired, will it be any difficulties in future again???
Anyone can give some suggestion??
Thank you very much!! | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
| "When I renew at Malaysia, will they find out that I had use the UK passport to enter Malaysia before??"
Probably not. IMO, there's a pretty low chance they'll be able to detect this accurately since your children were not finger-printed when they entered Malaysia on their British passports previously.
They should use their Malaysian passports this time though (when going back to Malaysia for the renewal).
"If I let the passport to be expired, will it be any difficulties in future again???"
If you allow the passports to expire, you won't be able to use them to enter Malaysia which means if you want to renew them in the future, you'd either have to:
1) Do it in London, OR
2) Enter Malaysia with their British passports.
(i.e. you'd still be faced with the same problems you are facing now)
I have a suggestion that I'm not quite sure would work. You could call UKBA to confirm this. AFAIK, they do not issue the CoE-RoA if you have ANOTHER WAY of proving your RoA (such as a British passport). What IF you allowed the British passports to expire and do not renew them? Are you then eligible for a CoE-RoA in your Malaysian passport? Just a thought.  | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
sotong,
thanks fr your suggestion, i try to call UKBA , they cant gv me ILR which costGBP972 and GBP160 for ROA now coz they have British passport.
Do you think I can apply ROA at Malaysia then?? | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
| UKBA suggest me go back Malaysia use Malaysia passport and back UK using British passport to enter. what is the consequence if Malaysia find out that my children have two passport. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | sotong | |
| No, you will not be able to apply for ROA in Malaysia. The UK will not stick ROA stickers in your children's Malaysian passports because they have a VALID British passport that they can use to prove their ROA already.
What you should ask UKBA is whether you can apply for ROA stickers to be placed in your children's Malaysian passports if you allow their British passports to expire (and not renew them). As far as I know, you are allowed to have ONE OF a) the ROA sticker in a foreign passport OR b) a current (non-expired) British passport at any one time, i.e. you CANNOT hold both simultaneously.
Malaysia won't care until they are 21, but if they find out now they might flag it in their system so they can follow up in the future. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Orangkl, What Sotong said about ROAs is correct. Best course I think:-
1)Renew childrens passports in Malaysia. It is highly probable that Malaysia immigration will let them leave because your husband and you have PR from what you say.
2)Take the childres' UK passports with you but only to use as last precaution to reentre UK. UK Border will question you. They will have your childres' details on their computer. UK should let them in based on your PR condition. Only show UK Passports if all fails. Next time if Malaysian immigration question you you can say your children were let in because of your PRs
Applying for ROAs is a problem because UK passports are for 10 years. You will have to go through a renewal cycle again for the MAS passports in Malaysia, then follow Sotong's suggestion in applying for ROA.
Finally did you register your children with the High Com in London when they were born???
I hope things work out for you. Good luck | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orangkl | |
thanks to Miriboy and sotong suggestion.
Yes we had register the children at High comm London,and apply the Malaysia passport as well, but just not realise the difficulties of renew process, if not I will sure apply the ROA instead of British passport for them to enter into Malaysia.
Because of some urgent circumstances whiich I need the passport to flight back Malaysia and application for british is much more easy and cheaper, the consequence only realise now... | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | Miri Boy | |
| Orangkl, I have been pondering about your situation. You say both your husband have "Leave to Remain" in the UK. According to the Malaysian High Commision site below, your baby should be given a Mas Passport. See line 6, column 4 for new born babies in the high Com site below. Both the "Leave to Remain" in your husband's and your passports should be adequate for the High Com to give your children malaysian passports which they are entitled to. Just something for you to think about and persue.
http://www.jimlondon.net/ppt_apply.html | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | orang kl | |
| Miri boys, thanks, yes I hd read the condition and even call ,email to them asking my situation, yes they already apply the MY passport but the problem is renew. They need proof to remain ie ROA or Indifinate leave to remain. I had no choice may get MY passport expire or try a luck renew at Malaysia next year. | |
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| RE:Dual nationality (modified 0 times) | William | |
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