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New Messagerenouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) bunnies
My boyfriend's father converted to islam many years ago. And he had secretly gotten a islam birth certificate for my boyfriend whom which has never practiced any islam lifestyle or prayers. instead he was raised a Christian since a toddler. He only found out about this islam status in his ic when he re-did his ic during his teenage years.

Is there a way for him to get rid of this 'religion' status in his ic and have back his faith of which he has practiced all his life?
This is very critical for me as i am a Christian and we wish to get married but we can't do so as long as he had this status with him because both of us are not willing to be under any muslim/islam religion.

07 May, 2010 23:46:11

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) vkpc
Get a new boyfriend.
08 May, 2010 04:50:56

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) straight_forward
vkpc is immature and dumb as usual, he thinks this is a comedy forum or his playground. he still thinks that he is funny, duh... grow up dude..... people get tired of your stupid comment, don't you get that.....

So are you gonna get upset with the way I commented you now? Well this is the kind of reaction you will get for being dumb with your comments.....

08 May, 2010 12:58:50

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) virnicia
I think vkpc is right. It is extremely difficult to renounce islam in M'sia.
You should heed his advice.
08 May, 2010 21:41:54

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) bunnies
I am not willing and im not interested in looking for another boyfriend. If there is no way in malaysia, i would appreciate if someone knows anything to get married overseas or some sort of suggestions which i might consider.

If love is so easily forgotten, then that is not love. So vkpc may be just wrong if asking me to find another boyfriend. Plus, i noticed most of his advice are somewhat negative in lots of other post.

sorry for being crude but i don't appreciate people who just tries and find the easy way out which is avoid. So finding a new bf is just same like asking me to avoid. so no.

08 May, 2010 22:02:25

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) vkpc
Love is not a prerequisite for marriage.
08 May, 2010 22:09:25

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) bunnies
love is the MAIN reason marriage was created by God.

Honestly, vkpc, from my opinion, u either went through a bad marriage and not know the meaning of love or you're just not here to really help.

So spare your negativity in such discussions.
I came to this forum to seek positive or maybe some possible suggestions and not for some negative immature comments.

08 May, 2010 22:27:43

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) vkpc
Research shows that 90% of people do not marry the person they love most.
If you don't know this, it must be because you haven't been married before.

The person you love most could be already married, too old, from the wrong religion, stay too far, his mum don't like you,
too poor, cacat, a drug addict, don't love you, physically abusive etc etc etc.

If everybody wants to marry the person they love most, they would be a lot of social problems including bigamy.

09 May, 2010 07:57:22

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) bunnies
i'm not here to debate. So, just SPARE me the negativity.
Your negative suggestions are not welcome here. You portray yourself as someone to be bitter and negative who probably has failed in love. So yea, pls SPARE me your negative thoughts.

Cheers,

09 May, 2010 13:13:33

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) straight_forward
Dear VKPC,

1. Where did you get the crap about "Research shows that 90% of people do not marry the person they love most"? Are you saying that we should all blindly follow this research because some dumb people chose to believe it?

2. Assuming that you are married, then you are also falling under the "90% of people do not marry the person they love most", have you told your wife lately that she is not the person you love the most but you married her anyway? Have you told you kids that their mother is not the person you love the most and that you married her and have kids with her anyway?

3. Assuming that you understand what love is about, and that you are with the person you love the most, is the person you love the most one of the following: already married/ too old/ from the wrong religion/ stay too far/ her mum don't like you/ too poor/ cacat/ a drug addict/ don't love you/ physically abusive etc etc etc. and if yes, are you gonna get yourself a new gf soon?


4. So as you said "90% of people do not marry the person they love most", I assume your parents are also falling under this 'did not marry the person they love most' unfortunate category and they only got married for the sake of getting married, because you said 'Love is not an assential for marriage". So in this case, you are the result of this "'did not marry the person they love most' loveless marriage. Are you? If yes, then I understand how much it f*cked up your head and beliefs.

5. Assuming that you are not married, then who are you to judge Ms Bunnies about not knowing your crap about the "90% research shows that people do not marry the person they love most"? What a crap......

6. Are you saying that 'true love' only exist in bigamy relationship or in other kind of social problems?

Dear Virmicia,

1. Assuming that Virmicia is not VKPC (but I doubt that), so Virmicia are you too the product of the "90% of people do not marry the person they love most" marriage? Are your parents in bigamy?

2. Are you married or in bigamy relationship? If yes, is your marriage also falling under the "90% of people do not marry the person they love most" category? Or do you prefer bigamy?

3. Do you have kids? If yes, then according to VKPC' beliefs about marriage and love, your kids must be under the "90% of people do not marry the person they love most". How do you intend to educate your kids about love and marriage?

4. Are you gonna use VKPC beliefs of the "90% of people do not marry the person they love most" & that VKPC's "Love is not a prerequisite for marriage" motto to educate your kids? Are you?


Anyway, I think VKPC will again avoid my comment about him, and he will transforms into "Virmicia" to support his own dumb comments again. VKPC and Virmicia are the same person. Why bother creating other nickname to support his own dumb comments. But I believe, this time he's gonna create a different nickname to back up his crap. Let's wait and see.....

PS: Beware of VKPC & Virmicia's advice everybody, don't let his crap put you down, he is unstable and has serious problems..............

09 May, 2010 15:40:43

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) vkpc
If a married man is the person you love most, should you do anything and everything to marry him?
09 May, 2010 20:13:34

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) straight_forward
Dear VKPC or Virmicia,

Oh, here you are, welcome back.

So which part of Ms Bunnies' initial question about her problem has actually confused you? Is her boyfirend a married man? Has she even mentioned anywhere in this forum that her boyfriend is a married man? Since when Ms Bunnies' question is about a married man? Hello.....

What's the whole thing of 'getting a new boyfriend' about?

Are you crying for attention with all your dumb and 'you think is funny' comments.... Hey, you really have serious problem there dude.......


VKPC's favourite selfmade quotes:

1. "Love is not a prerequisite for marriage", VKPC has hard time expressing his feelings about love..... I see.

2. "Arrghh, I cant deal with it anymore, too much problems, gonna get myself a new gf instead". I'm sure this idea suits you just fine.....

3. "hey guys, Research shows that 90% of people do not marry the person they love most. I better believe it or I'm not normal, thought VKPC".

4. "The person you love most could be already married, too old, from the wrong religion, stay too far, his mum don't like you, too poor, cacat, a drug addict, don't love you, physically abusive etc etc etc. Poor me, I will never find my true love, ever, thought VKPC".

5. "If everybody wants to marry the person they love most, they would be a lot of social problems including bigamy. Because I, the VKPC believes that true love only exist within bigamy or in social problems relationships."

6. "Religious question and a married man question, errr, errr", VKPC has trouble differentiate between these two questions. VKPC is so far far away from the point of the initial question.

09 May, 2010 21:17:58

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) vkpc
What is your answer to the question?

If a married man is the person you love most, should you do anything and everything to marry him?

10 May, 2010 08:40:54

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) SFKL
Renouncing is difficult but not impossible. It will take time. Moreover his situation is unique in the sense it was a unilateral conversion, not sure if his mother knew and he wasn't raised as a practising Muslim. I think renounciation is possible especially with witnesses supporting his claim. Ask your boyfriend to find a syariah lawyer who perhaps has done a few cases like these as the case will be heard in syariah court. Get ready with witnesses who will testify that he went to church more than mosque, etc. It may take a year or so but it can be done. Don't waste time, just do it.

As for the many replies none of which here addresses this poor lady's predicament. As for VKPC, this is not the first and not the last he or she shall give such an immature, insensitive answer but in a way he/she is correct, in a brutal way. I do understand the link between married man and a muslim man. It is the concept of unattainable man. But married man got divorce so that can't be that difficult!

Whatever it may be, Bunnies, my advice is to stop reading this thread and just get your boyfriend to a syariah lawyer.

10 May, 2010 12:21:01

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) straight_forward
Dear SFKL, VKPC is not correct and he is not right, it is not a question about whether or not Bunnies should get a new boyfriend. Ms Bunnies never ask whether she should get a new boyfriend or not. So VKPC is totally out of place.

If all of you read Ms Bunnies feedback about VKPC's dumb comment asking her to find a new boyfriend, you can see how much it HURTS her feelings, & she doesn't appreciate that, because it has totally nothing to do with what she asked. What is the point with that, VKPC? Are you happy now, are you? Is this just a playground for you, a place where you can have your excitement?

How many times do you recommend someone who has similar situation like Ms Bunnies to keep changing boyfriend everytime they face difficulties when trying to get married? How many times? If the person you love the most is cacat/ too poor/ stay too far, so what, if that is their choice to get married to the person they love most? Do you have problem with cacat and poor people?

Here, you are still keep acting dumb and keep going on and on and on about your own agenda about "If a married man is the person you love most, should you do anything and everything to marry him?", which completely has nothing to do with Ms Bunnies' question at all. I doubt that you have the ball to apologise to her....

10 May, 2010 13:58:45

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) vkpc
Ayah Pin and his wives did just that, (getting witnesses to testify that they were no longer muslims ) and they were jailed a few times.
10 May, 2010 15:54:36

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) bunnies
Dear SFKL

Thank you for your feedback. I have known long ago that it would be a hard road but as we are approaching to wanting to tie the knot, i am looking more into it even considering going overseas or back to the country which i was in my studying days.

As for vkpc, thanks for your unending discouraging comments. I personally think you should either find some help or rudely saying it just F*** off. As i have said earlier, your 2 cents worth of nonsense is not tolerated in my sight.

Thank you straight_forward for standing up and trying to tell vkpc off. Truly such person will never know or admit his/ her mistakes in commenting such things when people are in trouble.

16 May, 2010 23:45:47

New MessageRE:renouncing of islam to marry non islam (modified 0 times) samesame
HI BUNNIES,

I M HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM. MY BF WAS BORN AT SARAWAK AND SOMEHOW SOMEONE PUT HIM INTO ISLAM (LONG STORY).I READ FORUMS AND MOSTLY WERE NEGATIVE REPLIES. MIND TO SHARE IF YOU GOT THE SOLUTION?? I KNOW IT IS REALLY HARD FOR HIM TO RENOUNCE. I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE COULD GET MARRIED OVERSEA AND I DON'T MIND TO BE SINGLE MOTHER STATUS IF WE GOT BABY BUT I M NOT SURE WHAT WILL BE THE CONSEQUENCES....WHAT DO YOU THINK?SHOULD WE GO FOR IT? OF COURSE I WANTS OUR BABY TO CARRY HIS SURNAME...SO SO CLUELESS

27 May, 2010 17:11:40


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